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dishdash on 18 December 2007
HappySqurriel said:
jhlennon1 said:
@HappySqurriel

Don't Sony/MS/Nintendo just use NPD, MediaCreate/Famitsu, Charttrack/GFk etc.. to do the tracking for them? All seem to quote their numbers enough when releasing a statement.

I think they do and don't use NPD ...

If NPD says something they like, for example the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the XBox 360 did, they will cite NPD and release a press release. Otherwise they will release their internal numbers regardless of whether they match NPD or not.

An example of this is Killzone's sales numbers ... There is a forum post where a representative from Sony claims that Killzone sold more than 2 Million copies, yet there is no evidence of sales like this from any tracking firm. (With how poor initial sales were for Killzone, it would have to have amazing legs to make sales like this but the game falls off of the charts a couple of months after its release which implies that it didn't have strong legs).


 

Killzone sold very well in Europe.  The US is just one region not the world.

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HappySqurriel on 18 December 2007
dishdash said:
HappySqurriel said:
jhlennon1 said:
@HappySqurriel

Don't Sony/MS/Nintendo just use NPD, MediaCreate/Famitsu, Charttrack/GFk etc.. to do the tracking for them? All seem to quote their numbers enough when releasing a statement.

I think they do and don't use NPD ...

If NPD says something they like, for example the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the XBox 360 did, they will cite NPD and release a press release. Otherwise they will release their internal numbers regardless of whether they match NPD or not.

An example of this is Killzone's sales numbers ... There is a forum post where a representative from Sony claims that Killzone sold more than 2 Million copies, yet there is no evidence of sales like this from any tracking firm. (With how poor initial sales were for Killzone, it would have to have amazing legs to make sales like this but the game falls off of the charts a couple of months after its release which implies that it didn't have strong legs).


 

Killzone sold very well in Europe.  The US is just one region not the world.

Why didn't Sony announce it when Killzone became the third or fourth best Sony published PS2 game in Europe if it had sold so well? Why did Killzone 2 fall off of all of the top 20 PAL charts in the world months after its release when it was such a super popular game? Why is it that the only reference to its "Amazing" sales is a forum post and not a financial statement?



cool48 on 18 December 2007

Why would they sell more Ps3's than Psp's?



Relias on 18 December 2007

Hmmm... that would only happen if the max of my estimate for next year became true. 20 million sold. Somehow I don't see it.



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dishdash on 19 December 2007
HappySqurriel said:
dishdash said:
HappySqurriel said:
jhlennon1 said:
@HappySqurriel

Don't Sony/MS/Nintendo just use NPD, MediaCreate/Famitsu, Charttrack/GFk etc.. to do the tracking for them? All seem to quote their numbers enough when releasing a statement.

I think they do and don't use NPD ...

If NPD says something they like, for example the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the XBox 360 did, they will cite NPD and release a press release. Otherwise they will release their internal numbers regardless of whether they match NPD or not.

An example of this is Killzone's sales numbers ... There is a forum post where a representative from Sony claims that Killzone sold more than 2 Million copies, yet there is no evidence of sales like this from any tracking firm. (With how poor initial sales were for Killzone, it would have to have amazing legs to make sales like this but the game falls off of the charts a couple of months after its release which implies that it didn't have strong legs).


 

Killzone sold very well in Europe.  The US is just one region not the world.

Why didn't Sony announce it when Killzone became the third or fourth best Sony published PS2 game in Europe if it had sold so well? Why did Killzone 2 fall off of all of the top 20 PAL charts in the world months after its release when it was such a super popular game? Why is it that the only reference to its "Amazing" sales is a forum post and not a financial statement?


I wouldnt say 2million is "Amazing" for a ps2 game. I think more interesting is the reason why you have to question everything SCE says?.



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davygee on 19 December 2007

They had sold approx. 2m before this financial year March-March.

So far they have sold around 5.7m out of the 11m they intend to sell this year.  There is 2 weeks before the end of the year and I fully expect them to sell around another 1m PS3's.  So that leaves them with just over 4m PS3 to sell in 8-10 weeks until the end of the financial year.  So that's around 400k a week....it's not going to happen IMHO.

I reckon they may sell around 2m in the first 2-3 months of 2008.  So I fully expect PS3's Worldwide sales to be around 11m by March 2008...it won't be 13m. 



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HappySqurriel on 19 December 2007
dishdash said:
HappySqurriel said:
dishdash said:
HappySqurriel said:
jhlennon1 said:
@HappySqurriel

Don't Sony/MS/Nintendo just use NPD, MediaCreate/Famitsu, Charttrack/GFk etc.. to do the tracking for them? All seem to quote their numbers enough when releasing a statement.

I think they do and don't use NPD ...

If NPD says something they like, for example the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the XBox 360 did, they will cite NPD and release a press release. Otherwise they will release their internal numbers regardless of whether they match NPD or not.

An example of this is Killzone's sales numbers ... There is a forum post where a representative from Sony claims that Killzone sold more than 2 Million copies, yet there is no evidence of sales like this from any tracking firm. (With how poor initial sales were for Killzone, it would have to have amazing legs to make sales like this but the game falls off of the charts a couple of months after its release which implies that it didn't have strong legs).


 

Killzone sold very well in Europe.  The US is just one region not the world.

Why didn't Sony announce it when Killzone became the third or fourth best Sony published PS2 game in Europe if it had sold so well? Why did Killzone 2 fall off of all of the top 20 PAL charts in the world months after its release when it was such a super popular game? Why is it that the only reference to its "Amazing" sales is a forum post and not a financial statement?


I wouldnt say 2million is "Amazing" for a ps2 game. I think more interesting is the reason why you have to question everything SCE says?.


In order to break the 2 Million barrier with how 'well' it sold in North America and Japan, Killzone would have had to sell 1.5+ Million units in Europe; with how few PS2 titles sold this well in Europe it would be a major accomplishment.

This isn't about questioning Sony, this is about questioning any claim which seems particularly unrealistic ... If Microsoft claimed on an interview in a forum that Viva Pinata sold more than 2 Million copies, or Nintendo claimed that Battalion Wars sold more than 2 Million copies, based on European sales I'm certain I wouldn't be the only person who called BS.



Avinash_Tyagi on 19 December 2007

So will VGchartz call Sony out on their lie when they don't reach 11 million?



 

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FishyJoe on 19 December 2007
davygee said:

They had sold approx. 2m before this financial year March-March.

So far they have sold around 5.7m out of the 11m they intend to sell this year. There is 2 weeks before the end of the year and I fully expect them to sell around another 1m PS3's. So that leaves them with just over 4m PS3 to sell in 8-10 weeks until the end of the financial year. So that's around 400k a week....it's not going to happen IMHO.

I reckon they may sell around 2m in the first 2-3 months of 2008. So I fully expect PS3's Worldwide sales to be around 11m by March 2008...it won't be 13m.


Try fact checking.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/07q2_eleki.pdf

Sony sold 3.57 million last fiscal year.

If they have sold 5.7 million this fiscal year, they would have to have sold 5.7 - 2.02 =  3.68 million since September. 



ssj12 on 19 December 2007

Why are we arguing this? this has been discussed to death. Sony is saying that they will have shipped about 14 million by March 2008 and the NPD sold numbers will be 11 million.

Before you ask me where I got the 14 million from. It was apart of a separate interview several months ago.



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