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mantlepiecek on 03 January 2011
Shadowblind said:
mantlepiecek said:
Mr Puggsly said:
mantlepiecek said:

Why does everything made by Microsoft have that cartoony looking avatar resembling characters?

Have you used a Xbox 360? You create a avatar character for your profile. There are quite a few games that use them as well. Especially with the release of the Kinect.


I have a 360.

But it seems very childish, I don't know, maybe its just me. I have heard kinect games have to use them because otherwise its difficult to implement the controls or something. Is this a kinect game?

Seriously . . . what?

Where did you hear that? Do you still have the blades style Menu system on your 360?

Well I have my own avatar, its NXE menus I believe. I didn't update to the latest though.



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richardhutnik on 03 January 2011
r505Matt said:

Yooo, I didn't even realize this game was out! I love go; too bad I don't have the time to actually learn how to play.

The Path of Go is a good program to learn how to play.  At $5, I say it is worth it.  Ok, several other things about Go itself, and also Path:

* Go is a great game, worth checking out if you have even a remote interest in strategy games.  It is a VERY deep game, but pretty simple to get into.  It has a few minor quirk rules.  But, beyond this, it is straight forward.

* Go works well to scale up to play, and also have handicapping.  You start on a 9x9 board, then go to 13x13.  I believe the final one is 18x18.  If one is worried about not competing well, then you get more stones on the board to start.  If the other bit is true, give the AI more stones to start.

* This implementation of Go plays well.  It easies you in.  I didn't find the AI brutal, but I did lose my first game against the AI going first.  I was able to come back later.  Won't say the AI is amazing here, but it is pretty good, all things considered.



daroamer on 04 January 2011
mantlepiecek said:
Mr Puggsly said:
mantlepiecek said:
Mr Puggsly said:
mantlepiecek said:

Why does everything made by Microsoft have that cartoony looking avatar resembling characters?

Have you used a Xbox 360? You create a avatar character for your profile. There are quite a few games that use them as well. Especially with the release of the Kinect.


I have a 360.

But it seems very childish, I don't know, maybe its just me. I have heard kinect games have to use them because otherwise its difficult to implement the controls or something. Is this a kinect game?

I see, you don't care for avatars because they look childish? Great discussion.

Well people seem to like the avatars and even buy clothes for them. I don't know what to tell you.

It does seem childish. And weird too. Not every childish thing is bad, nor is avatars but using them in games seems weird. They could have just used normal characters.                                     

Except you have an entire avatar marketplace where you can get stuff to customize your avatar.  By having them in various games it allows you to feel more like you have a personal presence in the game.

It's hilarious playing Kinect Sports wearing a clown wig or dressed in Halo spartan armour.



r505Matt on 04 January 2011
richardhutnik said:
r505Matt said:

Yooo, I didn't even realize this game was out! I love go; too bad I don't have the time to actually learn how to play.

The Path of Go is a good program to learn how to play.  At $5, I say it is worth it.  Ok, several other things about Go itself, and also Path:

* Go is a great game, worth checking out if you have even a remote interest in strategy games.  It is a VERY deep game, but pretty simple to get into.  It has a few minor quirk rules.  But, beyond this, it is straight forward.

* Go works well to scale up to play, and also have handicapping.  You start on a 9x9 board, then go to 13x13.  I believe the final one is 18x18.  If one is worried about not competing well, then you get more stones on the board to start.  If the other bit is true, give the AI more stones to start.

* This implementation of Go plays well.  It easies you in.  I didn't find the AI brutal, but I did lose my first game against the AI going first.  I was able to come back later.  Won't say the AI is amazing here, but it is pretty good, all things considered.

Oh, I already know quite a bit about Go (rules included), I just don't know how to play well. My big problem is I don't see the shapes as they're forming and so I don't protect my territory well enough.



mantlepiecek on 04 January 2011
daroamer said:
mantlepiecek said:
Mr Puggsly said:
mantlepiecek said:


I have a 360.

But it seems very childish, I don't know, maybe its just me. I have heard kinect games have to use them because otherwise its difficult to implement the controls or something. Is this a kinect game?

I see, you don't care for avatars because they look childish? Great discussion.

Well people seem to like the avatars and even buy clothes for them. I don't know what to tell you.

It does seem childish. And weird too. Not every childish thing is bad, nor is avatars but using them in games seems weird. They could have just used normal characters.                                     

Except you have an entire avatar marketplace where you can get stuff to customize your avatar.  By having them in various games it allows you to feel more like you have a personal presence in the game.

It's hilarious playing Kinect Sports wearing a clown wig or dressed in Halo spartan armour.

Ah I see. My bad I didn't know that, thought they were random avatars.



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ssj12 on 04 January 2011

Sony needs a Go game... this is one title, minus the avatars, that makes me jealous.



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richardhutnik on 04 January 2011
r505Matt said:
richardhutnik said:
r505Matt said:

Yooo, I didn't even realize this game was out! I love go; too bad I don't have the time to actually learn how to play.

The Path of Go is a good program to learn how to play.  At $5, I say it is worth it.  Ok, several other things about Go itself, and also Path:

* Go is a great game, worth checking out if you have even a remote interest in strategy games.  It is a VERY deep game, but pretty simple to get into.  It has a few minor quirk rules.  But, beyond this, it is straight forward.

* Go works well to scale up to play, and also have handicapping.  You start on a 9x9 board, then go to 13x13.  I believe the final one is 18x18.  If one is worried about not competing well, then you get more stones on the board to start.  If the other bit is true, give the AI more stones to start.

* This implementation of Go plays well.  It easies you in.  I didn't find the AI brutal, but I did lose my first game against the AI going first.  I was able to come back later.  Won't say the AI is amazing here, but it is pretty good, all things considered.

Oh, I already know quite a bit about Go (rules included), I just don't know how to play well. My big problem is I don't see the shapes as they're forming and so I don't protect my territory well enough.

Ahh, the "connect the dots" problem (lack of another phrase for it) where it is hard to view what one's territory is.  Have you been playing on a 9x9 board?  I generally just do that, and do ok.  I am sure larger would be an issue.