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DonFerrari on 09 December 2010
Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:
Jay520 said:


The PS3 didn't take a beating for releasing a year late. It took a beating because of the high price, lack of good games (compared to other systems), and difficulty to develop for. 

Aye, and that last one was a loss due to their late release. If they had released concurrently, PS3 would have had third party parity with 360 from the beginning, or very soon after. Instead, with this comparatively easier system that they had a whole extra year to learn about, 360 was able to hold the 3rd party edge for quite some time. 360's large lead in sales also crippled PS3 in that many brands that were known for being PS brands, even early on like GTA or Devil May Cry, went multiplat

PS3 launching a year earlier would've come with its own problems, but it would've solved the early software problems that plagued PS3


I thought the PS3 was difficult to develop for because of some cell or something while the 360 had similar architecture to the PS2. The PS3 was difficult to develop for because Sony made it that way. correct me if I'm wrong as I don't know much about tech.

If Sony makes the PS4 similar to the PS3 then the first party will make good games because they're used to the PS3.

As for the Brands, The PS4 won't lose many exclusives because nearly all of the exclusives on the PS3 were owned by Sony. unlike the PS2 where the biggest exclusives were 3rd party.


You are very right inded.

Cell architeture makes port difficult to do... so 1st party crap in 3rd party most of times... and this is somewhat Sony fault with corroboration of 3rd party being unable to program for it.

A PS4 with simmilar architetures would be easier because of PS3 lessons, but it could also have a new architeture and we say goodbye to 3rd party in the beggining again.

And about exclusives... yes best ones are 1st party, but Sony would be in trouble... maybe lose most 3rd party support for MS.



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Jay520 on 09 December 2010
DonFerrari said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:
Jay520 said:


The PS3 didn't take a beating for releasing a year late. It took a beating because of the high price, lack of good games (compared to other systems), and difficulty to develop for. 

Aye, and that last one was a loss due to their late release. If they had released concurrently, PS3 would have had third party parity with 360 from the beginning, or very soon after. Instead, with this comparatively easier system that they had a whole extra year to learn about, 360 was able to hold the 3rd party edge for quite some time. 360's large lead in sales also crippled PS3 in that many brands that were known for being PS brands, even early on like GTA or Devil May Cry, went multiplat

PS3 launching a year earlier would've come with its own problems, but it would've solved the early software problems that plagued PS3


I thought the PS3 was difficult to develop for because of some cell or something while the 360 had similar architecture to the PS2. The PS3 was difficult to develop for because Sony made it that way. correct me if I'm wrong as I don't know much about tech.

If Sony makes the PS4 similar to the PS3 then the first party will make good games because they're used to the PS3.

As for the Brands, The PS4 won't lose many exclusives because nearly all of the exclusives on the PS3 were owned by Sony. unlike the PS2 where the biggest exclusives were 3rd party.

 

A PS4 with simmilar architetures would be easier because of PS3 lessons, but it could also have a new architeture and we say goodbye to 3rd party in the beggining again.

And about exclusives... yes best ones are 1st party, but Sony would be in trouble... maybe lose most 3rd party support for MS.


lol that would throw my prediction out the window. It would be stupid from sony if they did that

True, that's a possibility. Ms could probably pull in some exclusive franchises when the 720 releases (like Gears of War or Mass Effect). I guess we have a long time to wait and see.



DonFerrari on 09 December 2010
Jay520 said:
DonFerrari said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:
Jay520 said:


The PS3 didn't take a beating for releasing a year late. It took a beating because of the high price, lack of good games (compared to other systems), and difficulty to develop for. 

Aye, and that last one was a loss due to their late release. If they had released concurrently, PS3 would have had third party parity with 360 from the beginning, or very soon after. Instead, with this comparatively easier system that they had a whole extra year to learn about, 360 was able to hold the 3rd party edge for quite some time. 360's large lead in sales also crippled PS3 in that many brands that were known for being PS brands, even early on like GTA or Devil May Cry, went multiplat

PS3 launching a year earlier would've come with its own problems, but it would've solved the early software problems that plagued PS3


I thought the PS3 was difficult to develop for because of some cell or something while the 360 had similar architecture to the PS2. The PS3 was difficult to develop for because Sony made it that way. correct me if I'm wrong as I don't know much about tech.

If Sony makes the PS4 similar to the PS3 then the first party will make good games because they're used to the PS3.

As for the Brands, The PS4 won't lose many exclusives because nearly all of the exclusives on the PS3 were owned by Sony. unlike the PS2 where the biggest exclusives were 3rd party.

 

A PS4 with simmilar architetures would be easier because of PS3 lessons, but it could also have a new architeture and we say goodbye to 3rd party in the beggining again.

And about exclusives... yes best ones are 1st party, but Sony would be in trouble... maybe lose most 3rd party support for MS.


lol that would throw my prediction out the window. It would be stupid from sony if they did that

True, that's a possibility. Ms could probably pull in some exclusive franchises when the 720 releases (like Gears of War or Mass Effect). I guess we have a long time to wait and see.


And I bet both MS and Sony knows the market better than all of us (even tough they make silly mistakes), so lets pray they do the best for us gamers while they think about what is best for them as company...



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mr Khan on 09 December 2010
Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:
Jay520 said:


The PS3 didn't take a beating for releasing a year late. It took a beating because of the high price, lack of good games (compared to other systems), and difficulty to develop for. 

Aye, and that last one was a loss due to their late release. If they had released concurrently, PS3 would have had third party parity with 360 from the beginning, or very soon after. Instead, with this comparatively easier system that they had a whole extra year to learn about, 360 was able to hold the 3rd party edge for quite some time. 360's large lead in sales also crippled PS3 in that many brands that were known for being PS brands, even early on like GTA or Devil May Cry, went multiplat

PS3 launching a year earlier would've come with its own problems, but it would've solved the early software problems that plagued PS3


I thought the PS3 was difficult to develop for because of some cell or something while the 360 had similar architecture to the PS2. The PS3 was difficult to develop for because Sony made it that way. correct me if I'm wrong as I don't know much about tech.

If Sony makes the PS4 similar to the PS3 then the first party will make good games because they're used to the PS3.

As for the Brands, The PS4 won't lose many exclusives because nearly all of the exclusives on the PS3 were owned by Sony. unlike the PS2 where the biggest exclusives were 3rd party.

Yes, but the PS2 was known to be comparatively difficult to develop for in its time. What put it over the Xbox and GameCube was its extra time on the market. Given time, developers could have overcome that initial difficulty (remember that the earliest 360 titles were rather lacklustre as well, compared to the kinds of games that routinely come out now) in a manner more similar to the 360. They have overcome that difficulty, but in that gap of third party software, the 360 became the go-to console for both developers and gamers

Time is the critical component.



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Jay520 on 09 December 2010
Mr Khan said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:
Jay520 said:


The PS3 didn't take a beating for releasing a year late. It took a beating because of the high price, lack of good games (compared to other systems), and difficulty to develop for. 

Aye, and that last one was a loss due to their late release. If they had released concurrently, PS3 would have had third party parity with 360 from the beginning, or very soon after. Instead, with this comparatively easier system that they had a whole extra year to learn about, 360 was able to hold the 3rd party edge for quite some time. 360's large lead in sales also crippled PS3 in that many brands that were known for being PS brands, even early on like GTA or Devil May Cry, went multiplat

PS3 launching a year earlier would've come with its own problems, but it would've solved the early software problems that plagued PS3


I thought the PS3 was difficult to develop for because of some cell or something while the 360 had similar architecture to the PS2. The PS3 was difficult to develop for because Sony made it that way. correct me if I'm wrong as I don't know much about tech.

If Sony makes the PS4 similar to the PS3 then the first party will make good games because they're used to the PS3.

As for the Brands, The PS4 won't lose many exclusives because nearly all of the exclusives on the PS3 were owned by Sony. unlike the PS2 where the biggest exclusives were 3rd party.

Yes, but the PS2 was known to be comparatively difficult to develop for in its time. What put it over the Xbox and GameCube was its extra time on the market. Given time, developers could have overcome that initial difficulty (remember that the earliest 360 titles were rather lacklustre as well, compared to the kinds of games that routinely come out now) in a manner more similar to the 360. They have overcome that difficulty, but in that gap of third party software, the 360 became the go-to console for both developers and gamers

Time is the critical component.

As for the PS2, I wouldn't know but I'll take your word for it.

We'll see how developers react with the PS4 but I think it'll be much better than the PS3.



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nickvasko on 09 December 2010

i think we might see the ps4 in the next 2-3 years, and when sony talks about the 10 year plan they mean they will support the system for 10 years which means manufacture, market, support and make games for it. this doesnt stop them from releasing a new console



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Mr.Metralha on 09 December 2010

No, it is coming sooner than Sony may actually want because:

- They are third place this gen

- They can't let Nintendo to much time alone in the market, or the damage will be astronomic.

 

But I'm expecting Sony to be the last one launching a new console, indeed.

I say Spring 2013 and the PS4 is here.



Ali-Kharazi on 09 December 2010

PS4 announcement in 2012/13
PS4 release 2014

The Ps2 has a 10 year life span and the PS3 released after 6 years.



Darth Tigris on 09 December 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
Darth Tigris said:

Is Sony willing to abandon the PS3 the way MS abandoned the original Xbox?  If not, then we won't see a PS4 until the others make their move.  My bet is that they're not.

The Xbox had a a solid 5 years and its popularity wasn't exactly growing. The Xbox also didn't have the power to handle new game engines and upcoming PC titles. It was impressive to see games like Half Life 2 and Doom 3 on the Xbox, but  they showed the hardware's limitations. It was time to move on.

Abandoning the PS3 now would be stupid at the rate things are going. Its growing in popularity now that its affordable, its earning back some of epic financial losses, and its still a powerful machine by today's standards.

Basically this is a very stupid comparison. Their circumstances are very different.

Stupid comparison?  That's a bit insulting, isn't it?

The PS3, like the Xbox, was released later than the main competition (or so it was assumed).  It had some specs higher than the competition and had a growing library of titles that really showed what it was capable of that the competition couldn't.  But it couldn't keep up when it came to sales or profits.

No one said anything about abandoning the PS3 NOW.  This thread was about the PS4 launching before the competitors.  My analogy was saying that the only way that would happen would be if they did what MS did with the Xbox and that was abandoning it prematurely to get an early foothold in the next generation.  Basically writing off the PS3 as something not financially viable and moving on to something that was.  That is EXACTLY what MS did and it was a gamble that was worth it in the end.  

But, as I stated, I don't think that is something that they will do at all.  It would be extremely surprising.  Whether I think it would be the RIGHT move is a very different discussion ...



Pavolink on 09 December 2010

All consoles end 2012 or end 2013.



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