1) Rare's sports game is not on rails and neither is Dance Central and so are a lot of others.  There are a minority of games that are on rails.  I can move my entire body around the table tennis game and it shows my avatar up on screen going around the entire table.  So epic fail there.

2) Using head tracking you can move directions without moving your entire body and even sitting down on your sofa.  Also remember that Kinect can do this in the dark without any light and this cannot be done with PSeye so again you fail.

    Tilt head forward slightly to move forward.  Tilt head back slightly to move back.

    Turn head left slightly to turn left in the game.  Turn head right slightly to turn right in the game.

    Tilt head left slightly to straife left.  Tilt head right slightly to straife right.

    Change weapons by using voice commands.  Making a fist means fire weapon.

3) The move is an improved motion for the Wii and thus fail.

    Kinect can track your movements, voice, connect to the cloud with web services and be completely something entirely different.  For example take Heavy rain, make it multiplayer, allow more interaction in the game using gestures and voice and actually acting like a character in a movie and then using the cloud to update the game data over time (for example the voice recognition).

   You can't really do this with your entire body with the move and you can get these kinds of interactive experiences with the move. 

  If I had money to have my own software studio, I wouldn't waste any talent or money on the move, the Wii has been there and done that, it's over.  Time to move on and create interaction that we have never seen in video games before and the cloud kinect online play is the way to get us there.

  The kinect launch games are just the first generation of the easy stuff it can do, as SDK's advance and the middleware software advances you can go places.  If anyone here can look back and see that the first start of all console launches is pretty rocky, but over time it gets better and that is the same road the kinect is on.  You honestly don't think that 3 years from now that there is just going to be dancing games and sports games only right?

  So, the biggest issue with kinect, isn't Kinect, it is your failure to understand the software process and how you can use creativity to create something new that can be a new experience.

This seems to be what i take from alot of these kinect will fail ,kinect is crap,kinect is not innovative threads,most of the ops are haters and also their threads really lack imagination and innovation.

there are a couple in this thread that are always in threads posting negative things on kinect in hopes that it fails hah,even with the pc hacks alone it shows how very innovative kinect IS and and can be .

eyetoy you wish that sony had kinect wow.sorry if i have offened anyone but the guilty one have offened alot of people with their drivel on many occasions.peace and STOP HATING IT MAKES YOU LOOK BADDDDD.and crows are now on the endangered list.stop being so thoughtless.   

i am sorry but your first post has fail written all over it 

sure you dont work for Microsoft, must do. 

I laughed hard when you dont know what rail games are because Dance central and Kinect Sports can be classed as rail games. Second time when you said the PS move is advanced Wii remote so if thats the case then the kinect is an advanced EyeToy, so much for innovative tech. My third time was how you tried to explain how the kinect can allow 3D movements with your head control (really?? is that how games are going to work in the future, thats almost certainly going to fail then), also i laughed again on how you wouldn't waste money on the move, Well more games are currently out for Move and coming in the future than the Kinect which show that you are not the voice of the devolopment community.  

But thats enough laughing at your post/rant at me and to also respond to your final point, yes i do understand. I understand that new games will follow but currently i believe and many that in order to really use the kinect they have to add an analog controller, stop the "you are the controller" marketing push, sure you are for some games but the future lines ups are going to be really damaged.

And i am not hating the kinect, i think its an neat tech but until they show some decent software i am not interested. 

Also to close here is an question: How many of the top 10 best selling games are Rail games??

Don't you just love threads like this?  Full of hate BS and lots of other crap that I dare not mention.  If this thread had been about the move or Wii half the posters in here would have been banned by now.  I really get sick of this FUD DRIVEL!!!!!

Simple answer to your thread is this.  Kinect is already more successful than the Move will ever be.  It has plenty of people out there enjoying it and its not just for "rails".   It must really scare some of you to continually post BS like this.  Just wait till the second and 3rd generation of Kinect games arrive with optional controller support.  I am pretty sure they will wipe the floor with your sorry expectations.

I'm glad your looking foward to kinect wiping the floor with the PS3, now 360 fans can look foward to all the dance and fitness games that they've always wanted. while i play my hardcore exclusives. nice one!! hope it sells millions.

Since you can tell the future could you please give me the Powerball numbers for net week?  

No one knows what kind of "hardcore" games are coming to either console.   I am fairly certain there will be more than just Dance and fitness games however.   To be fair though, I think Dance Central is better than any move game I have played.  I guess I'm a casual gamer....

were to begin 

infamous 2, Killzone 3, Socom4, LBP2 (it can be hardcore), Twisted metal, uncharted 3 , agent (??)

And i am sure i am missing an few 

As for xbox: Gears of War 3. 

I think where looking foward to this:

Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor

Rise of Nightmares

Child of Eden

Codename D

Project Draco

Haunt

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-27-sony-why-we-turned-down-kinect-interview

Thats about why sony turned down kinect. i cant be bothered getting into an argument about this, cleary i'm a PS3 fan and you a 360 fan. maybe the games on kinect are better, maybe there not.

my point was microsoft decided to hype up kinect, and the article i linked to is about how the people who know about the science of this tech dont think anything complex can be done with it.

microsoft havent announced any core content as of this moment, all we keep hearing is promises on how kinect is for things we cant imagine yet. well to me, that dosent mean their working on anything all for the core market.

imho, after reading the link, i dont think microsoft even know what they can use kinect for. its just for dance and sports games. at least PS3 has some foward thinking in move, it can be used for games like LBP, and backward support for old games like Heavy Rain, and you can still play dance central or whatever the PS3 one is. this is all my own personal opinion, not fact of course.

They will implement  games that use both kinect and controller.

*Edit*

Also i see a wii type peripheral in the distant future for 360.