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Forums - Sales Discussion - Aaron Greenburg "LOL's" at VGChartz KINECT Sales Report on his Twitter!!!

theprof00 on 11 November 2010
Frieza said:
theprof00 said:
Frieza said:

your opinion.

Look at it this way:

VGC makes educated guesses. They aren't perfect, but they are very good. In fact, so good are they, that they are often more accurate than 90% of other trackers. VGC also does this for a very low cost, hell, a few months ago, they did it FOR FREE. Do you know how much NPD charges for their data, and do you know that they also use guesstimates and that perfect tracking is impossible due to small business?

Lemme put it in a way you might more understand. NPD is a ps3 at launch, and VGC is a wii at launch. Everyone mocks VGC... but really, VGC holds its own against the big boys.

 

Ehhh my opinion was that everyone mocks VGC....which they really do so its more of a fact.

Your opinion = "VGchartz just make up the numbers. Which to be fair most of the time they do."

kthxbye


Except they actually do which is the reason why people mock the site.

except they don't?

Do...you....know how..statistics work, by any chance?



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heruamon on 11 November 2010
theprof00 said:
heruamon said:
theprof00 said:
heruamon said:

Do you really think wholesalers have no methods of tracking sales of product at retail, in general?

As for this specific case, one easy way would be restocking orders from retailers.  M$ knows how many were shipped, so if Retailers are clamoring for follow-on orders to be filled faster...that's probably a clue.  Every been to a best buy, and they could tell you which nearby stores had the item sold out at the store you're at...that might be a clue.

So your argument is that MS has at least the same tracking capacity as vgchartz doe, and therefore has been tracking than vgc does.

Restocking has no implication on sales.

Shipments do not directly go to each store (surprisingly /sarcasm) they go to a warehouse or distributor. Once the product leaves the MS manufactory, they have no idea, nor do they care, what happens to them. All they care about is sending out more shipments and selling them.

Restocking has no implication on sales.

Wait...are you telling me that if a retailer order doubles the initial launch order, that is NOT indicative of retail sales?

No reliable implication.

What if a shipment sinks to the bottom of the Hudson River? Companies have insurance on shipping, so all they have to do is order more. That shipment didn't actually get sold, and MS simply do not care.

I'm not saying trucks are exploding or getting hijacked at rest-stops, or abducted by aliens, and all sorts of nonsense. I'm saying that (and this I wrote in the post as well) it cannot be reliable because of small business. There are lots of small businesses out there that order units and then never sell them. Or use them themselves, or anything.

You were so very creative in thinking up ways that MS could track things using clues. Be creative now, so I don't have to spell it out for you. Not every shipped unit gets sold. All MS cares about is "shipped". However, they do use NPD in order to tell how popular their goods are, but other than that, they give 0 fuks.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what get's announce to us by M$ or NPD.  Methinks we might hear something sooner, rather than later on that front...time will tell.



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theprof00 on 11 November 2010
heruamon said:

I guess we will just have to wait and see what get's announce to us by M$ or NPD.  Methinks we might hear something sooner, rather than later on that front...time will tell.

I just want you to know, that as vgc members, we are constantly aware that numbers could be wrong.

I honestly expected MS to mention something the day after. We've seen MS reports the day after reach came out, and several other games, and the 360 slim.



scottie on 11 November 2010

Lol, can we just move VGChartz over to twitter? It's where everyone is now



damndl0ser on 11 November 2010

I am guessing that he has a lot better idea of what the real sales are than our educated guesses.  So if I had to make a guess now, we are severely undertracking the Kinect and the 360 kinect bundles.  If you think the guy can't get early estimates of the Kinect sale through then your deluding yourselves.

 

Either way any publicity is good publicity nowa days.  I just hope the sales are through the roof, even if it makes us look bad.



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heruamon on 11 November 2010
theprof00 said:
heruamon said:

I guess we will just have to wait and see what get's announce to us by M$ or NPD.  Methinks we might hear something sooner, rather than later on that front...time will tell.

I just want you to know, that as vgc members, we are constantly aware that numbers could be wrong.

I honestly expected MS to mention something the day after. We've seen MS reports the day after reach came out, and several other games, and the 360 slim.

I actually thought the 3-day number looked be a stellar start, and strong estimate by VGC.  Maybe it was the first week perception.

BTW, what clued Greenberg into these numbers to begin with?



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

flagstaad on 11 November 2010

If he will report SHIPPED kinects and you take into account that they gave for free a ton of them (to Oprah, Jimmy Fallon for publicity), another batch to review sites, and to other organizations (All The Boys & Girls Clubs of America around 4.000), of course the numbers will be bigger. Also he may report shipped numbers for first week, not for the first 3 days.



Grimes on 11 November 2010

To all the people that complain about the numbers. Would you rather have nothing? Becaause none of these companies want the data out there unless they are winning. You would be at the mercy of their marketing departments who are experts at statistics manipulation and deceptive statements.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

megaman79 on 11 November 2010
Grimes said:

To all the people that complain about the numbers. Would you rather have nothing? Becaause none of these companies want the data out there unless they are winning. You would be at the mercy of their marketing departments who are experts at statistics manipulation and deceptive statements.


Except Greenburg ofcourse......



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Bullet100000 on 11 November 2010

Who the hell at M$ gave  this Idiot a Job.  If  he wants to call VGChartz estimates wrong then do that but dont laugh about someone elses work.  Greenburg is the biggest Ass in the gaming Industry.



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