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 I have always had an issue with employers looking at this kind of stuff, if she wins their will be a wave of similar suits to follow as I'm sure she isn't the first to have this problem.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40097443/?gt1=43001

A Connecticut woman who was fired after she posted disparaging remarks about her boss on Facebook has prompted a first-of-its-kind legal case by federal authorities who say her comments are protected speech under labor laws.

The National Labor Relations Board alleges that American Medical Response of Connecticut Inc. illegally fired Dawnmarie Souza from her job as an emergency medical technician late last year after she criticized her supervisor on her personal Facebook page and then traded Facebook messages about the negative comments with other employees.

The complaint, filed Oct. 27 by the board's Hartford, Conn., regional office, could set a precedent for employers to heed as more workers use social networking sites to share details about their jobs.

"It's the same as talking at the water cooler," said Lafe Solomon, the board's acting general counsel. "The point is that employees have protection under the law to talk to each other about conditions at work."

Federal labor law has long protected employees against reprisal for talking to co-workers on their own time about their jobs and working conditions, including remarks that may be critical of managers. The law applies whether or not workers are covered by a union.

NLRB officials claim the Connecticut ambulance company has an unlawful policy that prohibits employees from making disparaging remarks about supervisors and depicting the company "in any way" over the Internet without permission.

"This is the first complaint we've issued over comments on Facebook, but I have no doubt that we'll be seeing more," Solomon said. "We have to develop policies as we go in this fast-changing environment."

The trouble for Souza started when her supervisor asked her to prepare an investigative report when a customer complained about her work, according to the complaint. Souza claimed she was denied representation by her union, the Teamsters Local 443.

Later that day, Souza logged onto her Facebook page from a home computer and wrote: "Looks like I'm getting some time off. Love how the company allows a 17 to be a supervisor."

A 17 is the code the company uses for a psychiatric patient. Souza also referred to her supervisor with two expletives. Her remarks drew supportive Facebook postings from other colleagues.

John Barr, an attorney representing the company, said the real reason Souza was fired was because of two separate complaints about her "rude and discourteous service" within a 10-day period. He said Souza would have been fired whether the Facebook comments were made or not.

Barr said the company understands that workers have right to talk about wages and working conditions. But he said it stands by its policy against employees discussing the company on the Internet, including social media sites.

"If you're going to make disgusting, slanderous statements about co-workers, that is something that our policy does not allow," Barr said.

Jonathan Kreisberg, director of the board's regional office in Hartford, said the company's policy is overly broad. He acknowledged that the law protecting worker speech has some limits, such as not allowing employees to disrupt the workplace or engage in threatening conduct. But Kreisberg argued that Souza's Facebook comments did not cross a legal line.

"Here she was on her own time, on her own computer and on her own Facebook page making these comments," Kreisberg said. "If employees are upset about their supervisor and get together on their own time talk about him, criticize and call him names, they can do that."

A hearing on the case before an administrative law judge is set for Jan. 25.

 



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Woman* fired over facebook. Sorry, I just can't resist being the captain of the interwebz spelling and grammer police department. ^_^



There's a difference between talking at the water and posting something that everyone can see and that will always be there. 

Hopefully she loses, learns not to be such an idiot next time, and figures out how to make her wall private.



If it is part of the companies policy, I dont see how she has a case. 

Plus it sounds like she was actually fired due to poor work performance



She probably made that Facebook post to attempt building a case when she heard watercooler talk of her impending termination at the company due to poor performance. ^_^ Clever but futile.



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twesterm said:

There's a difference between talking at the water and posting something that everyone can see and that will always be there. 

Hopefully she loses, learns not to be such an idiot next time, and figures out how to make her wall private.


No there is no difference FB is not open to the world like being in a public forum. Its limited to those you allowed to see your profile. Therefore its like talking to your friends or coworkers.

She deserves to win.



superchunk said:
twesterm said:

There's a difference between talking at the water and posting something that everyone can see and that will always be there. 

Hopefully she loses, learns not to be such an idiot next time, and figures out how to make her wall private.


No there is no difference FB is not open to the world like being in a public forum. Its limited to those you allowed to see your profile. Therefore its like talking to your friends or coworkers.

She deserves to win.


It depends on what she had her profile set up as and if she worked at a job that required her to disclose her Facebook page if she had one.

I'm going to assume she was some sort of nurse at worst?  If so, I know that nurses (or most anyone that could possibly work with children really) are required to disclose their Facebook page and even become friends with the company.  That should be clue one to the woman not to be a moron and talk crap about the company she works for.

Furthermore, if you're dumb enough to trash talk the company you work then you're probably also dumb enough to not set any sort of privacy settings.  That means not only does every one of her friends see her saying something (including those of her friends outside of her company) but so does anyone else looking for ner name.

Stupidity shouldn't be rewarded, you don't write negative comments about the people feeding you.



twesterm said:
superchunk said:
twesterm said:

There's a difference between talking at the water and posting something that everyone can see and that will always be there. 

Hopefully she loses, learns not to be such an idiot next time, and figures out how to make her wall private.


No there is no difference FB is not open to the world like being in a public forum. Its limited to those you allowed to see your profile. Therefore its like talking to your friends or coworkers.

She deserves to win.


It depends on what she had her profile set up as and if she worked at a job that required her to disclose her Facebook page if she had one.

I'm going to assume she was some sort of nurse at worst?  If so, I know that nurses (or most anyone that could possibly work with children really) are required to disclose their Facebook page and even become friends with the company.  That should be clue one to the woman not to be a moron and talk crap about the company she works for.

Furthermore, if you're dumb enough to trash talk the company you work then you're probably also dumb enough to not set any sort of privacy settings.  That means not only does every one of her friends see her saying something (including those of her friends outside of her company) but so does anyone else looking for ner name.

Stupidity shouldn't be rewarded, you don't write negative comments about the people feeding you.

 Pull out any "IFs" you want, but the precedent you should hope for is one that enforces an employees right to freedom of speach regarding their employers in their private venues. FB is simply and extension of your home. Regardless if you leave all the windows and doors open or not; its your private area.



superchunk said:
twesterm said:
superchunk said:
twesterm said:

There's a difference between talking at the water and posting something that everyone can see and that will always be there. 

Hopefully she loses, learns not to be such an idiot next time, and figures out how to make her wall private.


No there is no difference FB is not open to the world like being in a public forum. Its limited to those you allowed to see your profile. Therefore its like talking to your friends or coworkers.

She deserves to win.


It depends on what she had her profile set up as and if she worked at a job that required her to disclose her Facebook page if she had one.

I'm going to assume she was some sort of nurse at worst?  If so, I know that nurses (or most anyone that could possibly work with children really) are required to disclose their Facebook page and even become friends with the company.  That should be clue one to the woman not to be a moron and talk crap about the company she works for.

Furthermore, if you're dumb enough to trash talk the company you work then you're probably also dumb enough to not set any sort of privacy settings.  That means not only does every one of her friends see her saying something (including those of her friends outside of her company) but so does anyone else looking for ner name.

Stupidity shouldn't be rewarded, you don't write negative comments about the people feeding you.

 Pull out any "IFs" you want, but the precedent you should hope for is one that enforces an employees right to freedom of speach regarding their employers in their private venues. FB is simply and extension of your home. Regardless if you leave all the windows and doors open or not; its your private area.

Freedom of speech is one thing and a company protecting its image is another.  You can say whatever you want as long as it doesn't cause another damage and isn't true.

If she was just venting, which I imagine she was, then she probably can't really prove that the things she said are actual facts and not just hurtful statements designed to hurt the company.

There's a very fine line between saying something and saying something to hurt a company.  For instance, if I have troubles with a car dealership I cannot sit outside their lot with signs that say "Bad car dealership, don't shop here," I would be arrested and sued.  What I could do was go into the car dealership and loudly complain so other customers could hear me.

Again, there's a fine fine line.



priteshmodi said:

Woman* fired over facebook. Sorry, I just can't resist being the captain of the interwebz spelling and grammer police department. ^_^

Isn't it spelled "Grammar"?



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