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M.U.G.E.N said:

People who played it: it works just fine, reviews were too harsh/out of line

People who didn't play it: reviewers said so, i trust them more than you guys

This is not gonna end..might as well let this discussion die


I agree, but should add-- people who played it on these forums: it works just fine.

People that I know in real life and have played it: it doesn't work just fine.

I trust people I know in real life more than reviewers and random people on forums.

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My general order of trusting things:

1. Me
2. My friends
3. Other people I know in real life
4. Reviewers
...
29. My dog
30. People on forums.
31. A nearby rock.



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Obviously, because IGN is "IGNorant"....there's no way they like anything, and all they do is hate every game for no reason like Donkey Kong Returns, Halo Reach, and GT5....



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twesterm said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

People who played it: it works just fine, reviews were too harsh/out of line

People who didn't play it: reviewers said so, i trust them more than you guys

This is not gonna end..might as well let this discussion die


I agree, but should add-- people who played it on these forums: it works just fine.

People that I know in real life and have played it: it doesn't work just fine.

I trust people I know in real life more than reviewers and random people on forums.

maybe..but also should add, I've seen plenty of people repeating the same remarks on how underrated this game is in other forums and also in real life as well, my best friend is in the same uni as me and he loves this game, I trust his words on games cuz usually we have the same taste in gaming...

So this is just a clash of opinions, nothing more nothing less. People defend this game (there have been many low scoring games in the move launch line up) because they feel the scores don't do it just. Maybe, just maybe they have a point? I say let's wait until, we those who haven't really tried it out for ourselves, have a chance to actually play the game and see if the comments made by these users are true or not.



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Mr.Metralha said:

It doesn't? Why the majority of the gaming press says so? They are all wrong then, lol.

 

Seriously, I created this thread to slap in the face of people that the game actually is a piece of crap not the glorified simulator fans make out of it and trash talked IGN. But it seems that every other major gaming press agrees with IGN review. I wonder who's wrong.

Now that's what I call an ill reason to create a thread "hah, your game is crap, suck it", way to poison the forums. I have no idea what the fans of the game said about IGN, but to make a thread like this in return is kindergarten.

@ twesterm )

shouldn't the game be considered "mediocre" if the meta is around 50?

Metacritic doesn't count as an objective source for "scores" at all though, because reviews are mainly/highly subjective and by simply calculating a mean score (I understand it is weighted, but why? are more popular review sites "more correct" ? In my opinion the reviewer who spends the most time with a game should be able to do the best review and those clearly aren't at the "major press") you don't get objectivity. (scientifically speaking a mean value without a standard deviation and error calculation amounts to "BS" anyway)

And objectivity wouldn't mean anything to anybody either as the feeling to be entertained is highly subjective. In the end it's about finding reviewers which have about the same taste you do and trusting their advice.

But if you read many reviews you can very well make a list of the strengths and the drawbacks of a game though, as long as the reviews do have a common tone, which isn't true for The Fight. In this case some reviews say "broken beyond repair" while others go "works as intended", which in other words makes it more a "hit or miss" kind of game.



Lafiel said:

 

@ twesterm )

shouldn't the game be considered "mediocre" if the meta is around 50?

 

  • 90   - excellent must own game
  • 80-89 - very good game
  • 70-79 - good game
  • 60-69 - not bad, has some problems but if you're a fan of the type of game or franchise, could be worth it.
  • 50-59 - unless you're a giant fan of something specific in the game, probably not worth it
  • < 50 - not worth the time/money.

Personally, I don't actually use Metacritic much.  I think it's a good resource to use until you eventually find a reviewer or set of reviewers you trust (personally use IGN and Gametrailers).  I consider it more of a fair grounds since it takes in most every major reviewer and nobody is ever going to agree on a single reviewer all the time.

For instance, today it's torches and pitchforks against IGN but when they release the GT5 review and give it the inevitable 10/10 I'm sure they'll love them again.



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Mr.Metralha said:
Scruff7 said:
Mr.Metralha said:
Lafiel said:
Mr.Metralha said:

And for gaming press.

This game is only good to the ps3 crowd and shitty biased websites.

The "ps3 crowd" huh? Depending on your definition of that (bullshit)term it could be 41plus million people, which are probably a better indicator than 18 reviewers, lol.BTW as this game is PS3 only I think it's most important objective is to be "good to the PS3 crowd", heh.

 

Why is it so important to you that all people agree that this is "a bad game" huh?

I think shit like postal and rape simulators are bad games, but a fighting game that might or might not work as well as it should in no way is a "bad" game to me, just an enjoyable or not enjoyable one.

Personally I've enjoyed in the past some shovelware with broken controls too. Like I said above, and twestern elaborated on that, it doesn't make it a good game, we're just enjoying crap.

 

 

This is it, the game doesn't have broken controls. All of these arguments are coming down to this point.

It doesn't? Why the majority of the gaming press says so? They are all wrong then, lol.

 

Seriously, I created this thread to slap in the face of people that the game actually is a piece of crap not the glorified simulator fans make out of it and trash talked IGN. But it seems that every other major gaming press agrees with IGN review. I wonder who's wrong.

Considering IGN has one of the lowest reviews of the game, I'm not sure it's appropriate to say they have given it a average score.

Since I own the game and played it extensively, I can say that the controls are not broken, far from it in fact. Just like many other games, you have to learn how to play it, then you find that actually, the controls are pretty much spot on 1:1

As you can see on the video i posted above, you can see the controls are nowhere near broken, watch it and you can see the actions of the guy playing it translated almost exactly to his character on screen.

I'm not arguing that this game is perfect, but I am arguing that the controls aren't broken.



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twesterm said:
Booh! said:
Mr.Metralha said:
Lafiel said:
Mr.Metralha said:

And for gaming press.

This game is only good to the ps3 crowd and shitty biased websites.

The "ps3 crowd" huh? Depending on your definition of that (bullshit)term it could be 41plus million people, which are probably a better indicator than 18 reviewers, lol.BTW as this game is PS3 only I think it's most important objective is to be "good to the PS3 crowd", heh.

 

Why is it so important to you that all people agree that this is "a bad game" huh?

I think shit like postal and rape simulators are bad games, but a fighting game that might or might not work as well as it should in no way is a "bad" game to me, just an enjoyable or not enjoyable one.

Personally I've enjoyed in the past some shovelware with broken controls too. Like I said above, and twestern elaborated on that, it doesn't make it a good game, we're just enjoying crap.

 

 

Why are you always trying to twist someone else's words?  He did say that "a bad game" is (plain speaking) a game of bad taste, like postal, all the other games can be enjoyable or not enjoyable (not good or bad). The fact that you do not understand is that The Fight is a good (enjoyable) fight-simulator/fitness game, while it is a bad (not anjoyable) arcade-like fighting game, but that's not its fault: it wasn't meant to be an arcade-like fighting game. All the gripes against some reviews are just due to this fact, it is not an action game, it is a simulator/fitness game. It is not shovelware (ie: a poorly realized game based on a popular genre), it is a niche game (ie: a game designed for a restricted crowd). By your standards MS flight simulator would be a bad game with bad controls, because the airplane is very difficult to control and you can't shoot.

He wasn't twisting my words, my message was pretty simple and he was right...

You can name it whatever genre you want, the reviews show that it's a bad game.  There are people that like it (and that's great!) but it's still not a good game.  I'm sure we all like our share of bad games, there's nothing wrong with that.  The thing that is wrong is trying to convince people that reviews for the game are wrong because you like it.

As for videos showing it working, I've seen videos of Sonic Free Riders working perfectly, Lair working perfectly, and Red Steel (the first one) working perfectly.  That really doesn't prove much.

Find videos  of the Fight working poorly and not registering punches.  Find them. Link them.  We've seen plenty videos of it working.  Where are the ones where it doesn't work.

Like I said, Ghostbusters was proven to be a horrendous game with tons of technical issues.  Ghostbusters is flat out a bad game. 

The reviews of the game that mention broken controls are WRONG.  Period.  End of discussion.   Reviews that say the graphics are meh, the colors are bland, there isn't a major story to speak of,  etc  are correct.  This is where you are wrong and until you 'Play' the game you won't know, can't comment and have absolutely 'no'  basis to stand on.  And are simply relying on hear-say. 



Rpruett said:
twesterm said:
Booh! said:
Mr.Metralha said:
Lafiel said:
Mr.Metralha said:

And for gaming press.

This game is only good to the ps3 crowd and shitty biased websites.

The "ps3 crowd" huh? Depending on your definition of that (bullshit)term it could be 41plus million people, which are probably a better indicator than 18 reviewers, lol.BTW as this game is PS3 only I think it's most important objective is to be "good to the PS3 crowd", heh.

 

Why is it so important to you that all people agree that this is "a bad game" huh?

I think shit like postal and rape simulators are bad games, but a fighting game that might or might not work as well as it should in no way is a "bad" game to me, just an enjoyable or not enjoyable one.

Personally I've enjoyed in the past some shovelware with broken controls too. Like I said above, and twestern elaborated on that, it doesn't make it a good game, we're just enjoying crap.

 

 

Why are you always trying to twist someone else's words?  He did say that "a bad game" is (plain speaking) a game of bad taste, like postal, all the other games can be enjoyable or not enjoyable (not good or bad). The fact that you do not understand is that The Fight is a good (enjoyable) fight-simulator/fitness game, while it is a bad (not anjoyable) arcade-like fighting game, but that's not its fault: it wasn't meant to be an arcade-like fighting game. All the gripes against some reviews are just due to this fact, it is not an action game, it is a simulator/fitness game. It is not shovelware (ie: a poorly realized game based on a popular genre), it is a niche game (ie: a game designed for a restricted crowd). By your standards MS flight simulator would be a bad game with bad controls, because the airplane is very difficult to control and you can't shoot.

He wasn't twisting my words, my message was pretty simple and he was right...

You can name it whatever genre you want, the reviews show that it's a bad game.  There are people that like it (and that's great!) but it's still not a good game.  I'm sure we all like our share of bad games, there's nothing wrong with that.  The thing that is wrong is trying to convince people that reviews for the game are wrong because you like it.

As for videos showing it working, I've seen videos of Sonic Free Riders working perfectly, Lair working perfectly, and Red Steel (the first one) working perfectly.  That really doesn't prove much.

Find videos  of the Fight working poorly and not registering punches.  Find them. Link them.  We've seen plenty videos of it working.  Where are the ones where it doesn't work.

Like I said, Ghostbusters was proven to be a horrendous game with tons of technical issues.  Ghostbusters is flat out a bad game. 

The reviews of the game that mention broken controls are WRONG.  Period.  End of discussion.   Reviews that say the graphics are meh, the colors are bland, there isn't a major story to speak of,  etc  are correct.  This is where you are wrong and until you 'Play' the game you won't know, can't comment and have absolutely 'no'  basis to stand on.  And are simply relying on hear-say. 


I don't think the stealth ad-hominem attack against Twesterm is a good way to defend your point of view. And saying that Ghostbusters is a flat out a bad game is ridiculous. You could have said that the PS3 version was way inferior technically than the PC/X360 versions, due to design decisions made by Sony that hurt the multiplatform games in PS3, but it wasn't a bad game in any sense in the other versions.

 

Going to the move game, it seems that it's a very polarizing game. Some people think that the controls are horrible, some think that they're great. Maybe the reviews are harsh, but the controls can't be great with a meta of ~50, when most reviews say that's the main reason to give this game a low score. The good thing about aggregations is that every score counts, and if one of them is very harsh, it can take two or three points of the score, not 25-30 points. IGN was harsh, but even without the IGN review, this game isn't a 75 points game. It's a weak game, accept it.



Wow, I've just read the IGN review, an the bits he edited out....

the IGN reviewer thought you pressed 'O' to block?! No wonder he thought the controls were broken! You use 'O' to recalibrate the controls! If you pressed O before you put your fists into the guard position non of your hits would work after that!

How did he actually finish the game and give it a fair review if he didn't actually calibrate the controls correctly?



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Rpruett said:
twesterm said:
Booh! said:
Mr.Metralha said:
Lafiel said:
Mr.Metralha said:

And for gaming press.

This game is only good to the ps3 crowd and shitty biased websites.

The "ps3 crowd" huh? Depending on your definition of that (bullshit)term it could be 41plus million people, which are probably a better indicator than 18 reviewers, lol.BTW as this game is PS3 only I think it's most important objective is to be "good to the PS3 crowd", heh.

 

Why is it so important to you that all people agree that this is "a bad game" huh?

I think shit like postal and rape simulators are bad games, but a fighting game that might or might not work as well as it should in no way is a "bad" game to me, just an enjoyable or not enjoyable one.

Personally I've enjoyed in the past some shovelware with broken controls too. Like I said above, and twestern elaborated on that, it doesn't make it a good game, we're just enjoying crap.

 

 

Why are you always trying to twist someone else's words?  He did say that "a bad game" is (plain speaking) a game of bad taste, like postal, all the other games can be enjoyable or not enjoyable (not good or bad). The fact that you do not understand is that The Fight is a good (enjoyable) fight-simulator/fitness game, while it is a bad (not anjoyable) arcade-like fighting game, but that's not its fault: it wasn't meant to be an arcade-like fighting game. All the gripes against some reviews are just due to this fact, it is not an action game, it is a simulator/fitness game. It is not shovelware (ie: a poorly realized game based on a popular genre), it is a niche game (ie: a game designed for a restricted crowd). By your standards MS flight simulator would be a bad game with bad controls, because the airplane is very difficult to control and you can't shoot.

He wasn't twisting my words, my message was pretty simple and he was right...

You can name it whatever genre you want, the reviews show that it's a bad game.  There are people that like it (and that's great!) but it's still not a good game.  I'm sure we all like our share of bad games, there's nothing wrong with that.  The thing that is wrong is trying to convince people that reviews for the game are wrong because you like it.

As for videos showing it working, I've seen videos of Sonic Free Riders working perfectly, Lair working perfectly, and Red Steel (the first one) working perfectly.  That really doesn't prove much.

Find videos  of the Fight working poorly and not registering punches.  Find them. Link them.  We've seen plenty videos of it working.  Where are the ones where it doesn't work.

Like I said, Ghostbusters was proven to be a horrendous game with tons of technical issues.  Ghostbusters is flat out a bad game. 

The reviews of the game that mention broken controls are WRONG.  Period.  End of discussion.   Reviews that say the graphics are meh, the colors are bland, there isn't a major story to speak of,  etc  are correct.  This is where you are wrong and until you 'Play' the game you won't know, can't comment and have absolutely 'no'  basis to stand on.  And are simply relying on hear-say. 


lol, you're just going to keep trying to goad me into getting angry over you insulting GB aren't you?  I assure you, it won't work.  :-p

And I'm not really into wasting my time scouring the internet for a game I don't actually care that much about to a person even if I showed them 20 videos wouldn't change their mind.  I have friends that have told me the controls are bad and I have reviews that tell me the controls are bad.  Look at my above list to see how much I value the general forum-goers opinion.  All I can do is research the game, which I've done, and come up with the best opinon possible.  I have three sides that I trust telling me the game is bad (IGN, Gametrailers, and friends), and one I don't trust (forum-goers) telling me the controls aren't bad.

You can scream until you're blue in the face about how the reviews are wrong but when I have other better opinions your opinions don't really matter much to me.