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Joelcool7 on 07 November 2010
Khuutra said:
Chairman-Mao said:

Yeah Canada definitely has some black marks on an otherwise pretty great history. Japanese internment camps, native residential schools and the turning away of Jews in the second world war come to mind when I think of bad things we've done.

But I certainly think Canada is MILES ahead of the US in terms of equality both past and present. I'm not sure if the US was the last western country to abolish slavery but they were certainly near the back of the pack, and even after slavery there was segregation up until what the 60's or 70's? It wasn't till guys like MLK came along that they started to end segregation.

Canada isn't perfect now but we live in pretty solid harmony I'd say. Like right now I go to school at the University of Waterloo and if you look up the demographics it must be half Asian, probably 1/4 middle eastern/indian and the other 1/4 a mix of white and whatever else there is but we all get along. We are a very diverse school. I just played poker Friday night with some guys from my residence (around 12 of us) and the guy hosting it was British, there were 2 french guys, a German guy, a swedish guy, a dutch guy, and more. I think Me and this other guy were the only actual Canadians but we all had a great time and got along famously. I don't see many cases of racism in my area, but of course I can't speak for all areas of Canada.

I wasn't actually talking about Canada in comparison to the US, especially not in the past, but presenting Canada as some kind of bastion of racial and cutural equality is off-base. I would, in poin t of fact, hold that the US is currently better in termso f the state of our racism. It's something like what Malcolm X said concerning racism in the South versus racism in the North: you will know that a man in the South is racist because he will tell you, but a man in the North has his racism covered by his guilt, a culture of guilt that lets the embers of hatred burn long and hot and hidden away, never showing until they are so great and terrible that they burn everything near them (that's why in the past few decades, the greatest part of the KKK was north of the Mason-Dixon line).

One interesting thing about Canada that has to be noted is that it's a ocuntry that naturally segregates itself, just like certain parts of the US does; it's why you see such enormous neighborhoods made up of single ethnicities (I'm a white boy living in a predominantly Chinese neighborhood, myself). People can nurse their prejudices without huruting anyone, but they never grow past them either. It's why there's a smaller number of hate crimes up here, even though there's just as much racism (per capita).

And uh

I feel kind of weird pointing this out, but all the nationalities you just pointed out are predominantly honkies

KKK is non-existant in Canada. They tried to enter and have made repeated attempts but Canadian's just don't want them here. As for the North hiding its racism, everybody at times in their life or to some degree are racist. We all have opinions of one another and inside sometimes think certain things. But we don't act on them. Does that mean we are worse then in the South where they will come out and blatantly insult an African American? I don't think so.

Example I do have a racist friend. He's awful but he never mistreats anyone of any other race. He always treats them equally and with respect. Sure behind their backs he blabs on and on about what he thinks, but when it comes to treatment I have never seen or heard him publically insult or mistreat someone of another race. I also don't hear many others or see many others mistreat individuals of other ethnicities.

As for segregation. Theirs China town in Vancouver thats the closest thing I can come to segregation where I live. A church is like half a block from a Sikh temple. I know of a single neighbourhood where it is predominantly Indo-Canadian, other then that asian's , indo-Canadians (I guess they are asians lol) Whites and Blacks all live together.

Infact one of our worst gangs is called the United Nations Gang and its proud of having members from all cultures and nationalities.

So segregated? Is it really that bad where you live? Where do you live, which province?

Here in Southern BC we are very mixed community. Vancouver is heavily populated with asian's and they live in harmony for the most part with whites. In Abbotsford my city their is about half indo-Canadian 40% White 7% Asian etc..etc.. you get the picture. Other then reserves all the races live together.



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Joelcool7 on 07 November 2010
Khuutra said:
Joelcool7 said:

Apology accepted and sorry for my harsh tone in my reply. I just hate when American's tell me they know more about my country then I do. Its really arrogant. (1)

As for how Canada treated its aborigionals. Canada as a nation was founded on July 1, 1867. As a country Canada has always treated its aborigionals and the blacks with respect and dignity. (2) All races have since Canada's founding been welcomed and treated fairly well. (3)

Now when we go back to upper and lower Canada as colonies of the British empire it is a bit different. Also if we go further back before any form of unified Government existed it was terrible. But keep in mind this was the exact same as the US, why you ask? Because we were all under British rule.

Now history lesson Brigadier General Custer worked for who exactly? The US Government in the mid 1800's. The US Government as an entity supported massive slaughter of native Americans. 1876 the battle of little big horn occured in which the american government tried to pretty much ethnically cleanse the natives from the area. (4)

Now yes Canada has existed since well dawn of man. Under the name Canada since around 1523 named by the french. However what the french and the english did to the natives up until Canada's formation can't really be held against Canada as a soveirgn state and country. (5)

And those are just about aboriginal Canadians. The issue goes a lot deeper and a lot broader than that. It's why taking a class on the subject can be so edifying.

I'll admit I haven't taken a University course on Social studies or Native struggles. Social studies in high school mainly focuses on native plight under british rule before nationalization. I got straight A's the british treated the natives horribly.

As far as the last hundred years the natives have reserves which are poorly looked after, the residential schools which were also poor. But I have a native friend who refused to live on a reserve he said he didn't want to be any different then anyone else. He doesn't enjoy any of the perks (Free housing etc...etc...) But he is just like me goes to school has a job and just got married.

Today I hear alot about how badly the reserves are. But nobody is forcing natives to live on the reserves. Nobody is forcing them to take a free vehicle or house. Nobody is forcing them to not pay taxes. Nobody is forcing them to be treated differently. No one forces natives to go to their own schools etc...etc....

So many of the complaints I hear in BC is. Our native schools are under funded. Our reserve isn't being taken care of. Our road is breaking apart. I don't get a new vehicle for so and so many years. But all those things are a part of the problem in my eyes. They could easily go to a regular public school if they wanted too (In my area at least) , they could easily live in a regular city with everyone else rather then off on a reserve. They could easily buy their own vehicle like everyone else. As a Canadian they get the same treatment I do if they so choose to accept it.

They have every right any other Canadian has. Natives choose to live on the reserves and yes the reserves are poorly runned over whelmed with crime and poverty. But I remember a few years ago a guy kept stealing cars and selling drugs and even assualted someone. But when the police were going to arrest him he went to the reserve and the police said that it was out of their juristiction and that the natives on the reserve have their own police and government. The police tried to take the guy but the reserve wouldn't let them.

So yes I do feel for the natives. But under Canadian law and as a Canadian citizen they have all the same rights I do.



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Severance on 07 November 2010

it makes me lol that people fight eachother because of the difference of skin, so dumb.



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Hemuli on 07 November 2010
Khuutra said:
 

I wasn't actually talking about Canada in comparison to the US, especially not in the past, but presenting Canada as some kind of bastion of racial and cutural equality is off-base. I would, in poin t of fact, hold that the US is currently better in termso f the state of our racism. It's something like what Malcolm X said concerning racism in the South versus racism in the North: you will know that a man in the South is racist because he will tell you, but a man in the North has his racism covered by his guilt, a culture of guilt that lets the embers of hatred burn long and hot and hidden away, never showing until they are so great and terrible that they burn everything near them (that's why in the past few decades, the greatest part of the KKK was north of the Mason-Dixon line).

This got me thinking about Denmark. This country was once considered to be one of the most open and non-racist countries in the world. Now, all of the sudden, a politician can say without any consequences that islam is not a religion but a terroristorganisation.



Joelcool7 on 07 November 2010
Hemuli said:
Khuutra said:
 

I wasn't actually talking about Canada in comparison to the US, especially not in the past, but presenting Canada as some kind of bastion of racial and cutural equality is off-base. I would, in poin t of fact, hold that the US is currently better in termso f the state of our racism. It's something like what Malcolm X said concerning racism in the South versus racism in the North: you will know that a man in the South is racist because he will tell you, but a man in the North has his racism covered by his guilt, a culture of guilt that lets the embers of hatred burn long and hot and hidden away, never showing until they are so great and terrible that they burn everything near them (that's why in the past few decades, the greatest part of the KKK was north of the Mason-Dixon line).

This got me thinking about Denmark. This country was once considered to be one of the most open and non-racist countries in the world. Now a politician can say without any consequences that islam is not a religion but a terroristorganisation.

Say what now? Thats political suicide who would vote for that guy?



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Lostplanet22 on 07 November 2010

You are talking about a guy and his brother and he got 12 years;....They both got 12 years?

So let me get this straight....The guy and his brother see a black guy ...The black guy goes in his house and the two went to his lawn and put a cross on fire....

Simply for no reason?

The guy and his brother probably saw 10.000 maybe 100.000 black people in their life still this one was to much and he deserved the cross on fire in his lawn?  

That is what I get from reading the OP.


Let me guess the truth probably  is that the guy and his brother had a problem with a guy... 
And in their moment of anger they do what people do whole around the world they become racist or find something else that they could fuck about;...The black guy could be a white German guy but then his house would be painted full with nazi symbols and slogans as 'GTFO Nazi' or could be Russian 'GTFO communist' or could be Muslim, or could be priest 'GTFO pedophile' or Asian, or French or Gay etc;..

And then they probably would not get 12 years...

Oh well:

Blame Canada

Don't blame me
For my son Stan
He saw the darn cartoon
And now he's off to join the Klan!



 

Jaywood2010 on 07 November 2010

i like canada




       

sapphi_snake on 07 November 2010
Khuutra said:
sapphi_snake said:
Khuutra said:

You make a good distinction, though the motivation in the first crime is not analogous.

Suppose you attack a person becauuse he hurt your mother's feelings, or because he is a fan of another sports team, or any othe rnumber of reasons not related to race or creed?

I guess I will need to think on this a while longer; I haven't given hate crime legislation a thought in years

That's called revenge, not hate.

Hate is a motivating factor of revenge; every person who acts against other races or creeds does so out of a misplaced sense of retribution and vengeance.

The sports team thing stands, though.

You example (attacking a person because he hurt your mother's feelings) isn't an example of "hate" necessarily. Plus, hate crimes refer to "hate" (more likely prejudice) on a grand scale (like racism or homophobia). A person who hates a particular individual because that individual hurt his mother's feelings isn't half as dangerous as a person who hates entire groups of people for irrational and prejudiced reasons.

As for the sports thing, well that's like the whole console war we got going on over here. It's a form of primitive tribal manifestations (the fans are like members of the tribe, the game is like war, winning the game is like winning the war, when the team you support wins the war the feeling is comparable to that of when tribes would win a war in the past, fans put on clothes with certain colors and paint their bodies sometime - war pain - etc.). This has little to do with the prejudices of racism or homophobia, or sexism.



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elticker on 07 November 2010

12 years just for burning a cross infront of a black persons home.So they are ruining a 2 peoples future for doing that. Doesnt canada have murders, rape, domestic violence?

I dont think criminal sentences get much worse since once you leave jail after 12 years your basically fucked.



 

 

loves2splooge on 07 November 2010

I agree that there is a lot of racism in Canada. It's just more hidden and subtle. Like in the American North. It's not as in your face as in the American South.

Also I find it suspect that lots of liberals are so eager to prove how much they hate racism. Many of those type of liberals themselves have hidden racial prejudices. I'm a liberal myself (moderately so). I find bigotry of all forms to be repulsive. I'm accepting of racial minorities, LGBTs, people with physical and mental disabilities, etc. But there was this one time a few years ago where a black guy wearing the standard "hip-hop apparel" (he was a random stranger from my school, didn't know the guy) saw me on the street waiting for the bus and he offered me a ride. My first instinct was extreme fear. I was afraid this guy would beat the shit out of me and do god knows what else with me if I got in the car. Truthfully, I wouldn't have experienced fear with the same intensity if it was a white guy. Funny thing is, turns out he was a pretty good guy. It's like a subconscious racial prejudice. Plenty of white people, including liberals, have this within them. They just won't admit it to themselves. And it's usually the progressive types who have a very cartoonish black and white reaction to racism who are the biggest closet cases. My sister is also a liberal and she's admitted to having some hidden prejudices. It's better to admit it to yourself than make this such a black and white issue.

Personally I think that realization that not everything is black and white and that many everyday good intentioned people have subconscious prejudices of some kind like this has allowed me to approach the issue in a more healthy, realistic way. I now realize that racism is a very huge issue that has permeated widely among society, even in liberal countries like Canada. The solution to this problem is not having neo-nazis serve 4-5 years in jail for burning a cross, making an example out of them. The heart of the problem is cultural. With me personally, I take it that all of that media brainwashing was the culprit for that subconscious prejudice. I saw a young black man in hip-hop gear. Which is automatically associated with violence and savagery in the North American media. The media has done far, far more damage for race relations in North America. Making an example of the neo-nazi that everyone laughs at anyway isn't doing shit to address the race issue.