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Khuutra said:
oldschoolfool said:

I'm for it,in the case of people that murder other people. For the people that are against it,ask your self this question,what if it was one of your loved ones that got killed bye some maniac,would you be against the death penalty then? For those that are giving the what if there innocent agruement,It takes years and years,even decades for an excution to be cared out in Amercia. They have appeal after appeal,review after review,before they die. Do mistakes happen sure they do,but the system is'nt perfect. I wonder how many innocent people actually do get the death penalty,I would argue that those cases are very rare.

Are you arguin that the emotional basis of a family's vengeful feeligns are a good justification

But actually killing an innocent person is not a good argument against because you presume it's "rare"?

hell yes it's a good justification. So you don't distrust the justice system so much,that you would assume that all people that get the death penality are innocent,there's a probably a good reason they got the death penality.



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oldschoolfool said:
Khuutra said:

Are you arguin that the emotional basis of a family's vengeful feeligns are a good justification

But actually killing an innocent person is not a good argument against because you presume it's "rare"?

hell yes it's a good justification. So you don't distrust the justice system so much,that you would assume that all people that get the death penality are innocent,there's a probably a good reason they got the death penality.

That's not true at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_phenomenon

Assumption that a system works is a logical fallacy when applied in certain contexts.

Your justification falls all over itself because it's hypocritical; you can't claim to not care what's inhumane and then argue that we have to consider the feeling of the victim's family.



Seece said:

Against, man shouldn't be allowed to take a human life without consequences, this includes those terminating criminals.

Peados, murderers, rapists, all sick in their own different way. But a proportion of them arn't in control of their actions, not that I think they should get away scot free but many can be reformed, for those that can't, then life imprisonment is the answer.


Really Peados,murderers and rapists aren't in control of there own actions. Are you serious? If someone rapes and kills someone,there beyond being reformed. They had a choice,just like everybody else in society.



oldschoolfool said:
yum123 said:

what if you were wrongfully accused im def against it



read my previous post. So we should give these maniacs a free pass,on the chance that they were wrongfully accused. So if someone killed one of your loved ones,just let give him life in prision. What if you get's out on a technicality,what if bye a small chance he escapes. Like a said before it takes years,even decades before the excution is carried out,because there's along appeal's process.


two wrongs dont make a right  executing would be just as bad if not worse than what they did even to they are sick and twisted shouldnt be murdered



oldschoolfool said:
Seece said:

Against, man shouldn't be allowed to take a human life without consequences, this includes those terminating criminals.

Peados, murderers, rapists, all sick in their own different way. But a proportion of them arn't in control of their actions, not that I think they should get away scot free but many can be reformed, for those that can't, then life imprisonment is the answer.


Really Peados,murderers and rapists aren't in control of there own actions. Are you serious? If someone rapes and kills someone,there beyond being reformed. They had a choice,just like everybody else in society.

Go back and read.



 

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Seece said:
oldschoolfool said:
Seece said:

Against, man shouldn't be allowed to take a human life without consequences, this includes those terminating criminals.

Peados, murderers, rapists, all sick in their own different way. But a proportion of them arn't in control of their actions, not that I think they should get away scot free but many can be reformed, for those that can't, then life imprisonment is the answer.

Really Peados,murderers and rapists aren't in control of there own actions. Are you serious? If someone rapes and kills someone,there beyond being reformed. They had a choice,just like everybody else in society.

Go back and read.

Even the ones who are in control of their actions aren't necessarily beyond reform, depending on the culture they live in. Certain countries have extremely low recidivism rates for criminals when they get out of prison, including violent criminals.



Khuutra said:
Seece said:
oldschoolfool said:
Seece said:

Against, man shouldn't be allowed to take a human life without consequences, this includes those terminating criminals.

Peados, murderers, rapists, all sick in their own different way. But a proportion of them arn't in control of their actions, not that I think they should get away scot free but many can be reformed, for those that can't, then life imprisonment is the answer.

Really Peados,murderers and rapists aren't in control of there own actions. Are you serious? If someone rapes and kills someone,there beyond being reformed. They had a choice,just like everybody else in society.

Go back and read.

Even the ones who are in control of their actions aren't necessarily beyond reform, depending on the culture they live in. Certain countries have extremely low recidivism rates for criminals when they get out of prison, including violent criminals.

Yup, I know it's cliche, but a lot of reformed criminals claim to have found god and reformed. A lot of them come across as sincere so I'm inclined to believe them.



 

Khuutra said:
oldschoolfool said:
Khuutra said:

Are you arguin that the emotional basis of a family's vengeful feeligns are a good justification

But actually killing an innocent person is not a good argument against because you presume it's "rare"?

hell yes it's a good justification. So you don't distrust the justice system so much,that you would assume that all people that get the death penality are innocent,there's a probably a good reason they got the death penality.

That's not true at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_phenomenon

Assumption that a system works is a logical fallacy when applied in certain contexts.

Your justification falls all over itself because it's hypocritical; you can't claim to not care what's inhumane and then argue that we have to consider the feeling of the victim's family.

That's what the appeals process is for,to make sure they got a fair shake and look over any mistakes that may have happen. I'm sorry but if there was solid evidence that someone killed one of my loved ones,I'd want the dam death penality. Murder and rape is the lowest thing a human being can do and they don't deserve to live in my mind. Just they fact that they get years and sometimes decades of appeals,before the death penality is carried out,should be enough. So your saying all of these famous serial killers such as Ted bundy,Jefferey Dahmer deserved to live,I'm sorry,but I strongly disagree with you. I should just get out of this thread,because I feel strongly on this issue and I don't want to agrue this any longer.



oldschoolfool said:
Khuutra said:

That's not true at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_phenomenon

Assumption that a system works is a logical fallacy when applied in certain contexts.

Your justification falls all over itself because it's hypocritical; you can't claim to not care what's inhumane and then argue that we have to consider the feeling of the victim's family.

That's what the appeals process is for,to make sure they got a fair shake and look over any mistakes that may have happen. I'm sorry but if there was solid evidence that someone killed one of my loved ones,I'd want the dam death penality. Murder and rape is the lowest thing a human being can do and they don't deserve to live in my mind. Just they fact that they get years and sometimes decades of appeals,before the death penality is carried out,should be enough. So your saying all of these famous serial killers such as Ted bundy,Jefferey Dahmer deserved to live,I'm sorry,but I strongly disagree with you. I should just get out of this thread,because I feel strongly on this issue and I don't want to agrue this any longer.

What you would want in a hypothetical scenario is not a cogent argument, logically or morally. Sorry.



Seece said:
Khuutra said:
Seece said:
oldschoolfool said:
Seece said:

Against, man shouldn't be allowed to take a human life without consequences, this includes those terminating criminals.

Peados, murderers, rapists, all sick in their own different way. But a proportion of them arn't in control of their actions, not that I think they should get away scot free but many can be reformed, for those that can't, then life imprisonment is the answer.

Really Peados,murderers and rapists aren't in control of there own actions. Are you serious? If someone rapes and kills someone,there beyond being reformed. They had a choice,just like everybody else in society.

Go back and read.

Even the ones who are in control of their actions aren't necessarily beyond reform, depending on the culture they live in. Certain countries have extremely low recidivism rates for criminals when they get out of prison, including violent criminals.

Yup, I know it's cliche, but a lot of reformed criminals claim to have found god and reformed. A lot of them come across as sincere so I'm inclined to believe them.

You seriously believe this. Murder,rape and child molester's are beyond reform. Most of the time if you let them out,they commit crimes again more times,then not. I live in America and there's really no such thing as reform for these low-life crimes. I know I would'nt want these people out on the street's.