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nordlead said:
rocketpig said:
MrBubbles said:
rocketpig said:

Question for a few of you out there: how do you rationalize pro-choice/anti-death penalty or pro-life/pro-death penalty? Without an incredible amount of moral maneuvering, it doesn't make sense to me.

I'm kind of in the middle (very pro choice, mildly against the death penalty) but only because of financial costs, really. On a morality level, how do you split it down the middle?

certain criminals lose their right to life by infringing on others.  an unborn child has done nothing other than come into existance.

Um, what about the sixth commandment?

you shall not murder?

There is a reason it is the word murder rather than kill.

Tell that to Catholics, whose Sixth Commandment reads "You Shall Not Kill."




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rocketpig said:
nordlead said:

you shall not murder?

There is a reason it is the word murder rather than kill.

Tell that to Catholics, whose Sixth Commandment reads "You Shall Not Kill."

No problem, as Catholics aren't the authority on the Bible. Even the Jews (who predate the Catholics) have it as murder which I think would be more important than the Catholics taking an improper translation of the original language. Not only that, but the Catholics then used  Catechisms to note which types of kills are ok, and which aren't. If the correct translation was kill, then we would have immediate problems with the Bible due to God instructing his people to put murders to death which would be against the 6th commandment.

There are a lot of things that I believe the Catholics have messed up, but this is neither the time nor place to address those issues. If you wanted a specific and improper interpretation of the 10 commandments you should have asked of it.




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nordlead said:
rocketpig said:
nordlead said:

you shall not murder?

There is a reason it is the word murder rather than kill.

Tell that to Catholics, whose Sixth Commandment reads "You Shall Not Kill."

No problem, as Catholics aren't the authority on the Bible. Even the Jews (who predate the Catholics) have it as murder which I think would be more important than the Catholics taking an improper translation of the original language. Not only that, but the Catholics then used  Catechisms to note which types of kills are ok, and which aren't. If the correct translation was kill, then we would have immediate problems with the Bible due to God instructing his people to put murders to death which would be against the 6th commandment.

There are a lot of things that I believe the Catholics have messed up, but this is neither the time nor place to address those issues. If you wanted a specific and improper interpretation of the 10 commandments you should have asked of it.

Especially in the case of religious texts, the author's intent needs to be taken into acount when translation occurs. As you said, the best translation here is murder rather than kill. One problem with a direct, literal translation is that langauge is not static. The meaning of words often change over time, so texts need constant revision if they are to be understood. If I had to venture  a guess, I would say the usage of the word kill had to do with the limitations of language rather than the word corresponding to today's usage.



MrBubbles said:
welshbloke said:

Two wrongs do not make a right. As a modern society we really should have no room for capital punishment. Even when somebody is correctly convicted and given the death penalty the state then torture them through the judicial system. All those things aside humans make to many mistakes to make life and death decisions and as we know a lot of people have died in error sorry does not cut it.

 


its pretty wrong to keep people caged up as animals for years on end, so i guess we should just release criminals after convicting them.  since anything else would just be plain wrong.

Obviously that would be insane and locking people up is in no way the same as executing them. The emphasis in modern society is rehabilitation and if they cannot be rehabilitated to protect society. Protecting society does not have to be "kill the bastard".

Maybe you also agree with stoning women and lobbing peoples hands off for stealing sweets, where does your version of justice end when is it a good time to sanction state authorised killing? At some point we and in we I would general refer to what is known as the west tend to frown on executions. Very few western countries execute the US is a very notable exception and one that I think makes it difficult for it take the high moral ground at times.



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