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unknown_soul89 on 16 October 2010
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:

So still no actual numbers on how much it sold and ps move still outselling it on amazon, something tells me neither supply nor demand is as wide spread as MS would have us believe 


It hasn't even released yet. As far as I know amazon is sold out of pre orders so no one can buy it there any more. Could be wrong on the amazon part.

how the hell can you be sold out on preorders, preorders are what companies use to judge how many to ship, unless theres serious shortage of them being made I don't see how thats possible, so the sold out is definitely on the supply end of the chain 


Do you understand how production and distribution work? Or what exactly are you trying to say? That they should be able to meet all demand day one?

A multi billion dollar company with hundreds of factories, yep unless the demand is ridiculasly high(several million for day one, which obviously isn't the case), so the problem is on the supply end, either MS is with holding them or their launching it before their ready again and kinect's failrate is going to end up being similar to the 360s at launch 

How many factories does MS own? 100's? I think they actually own none ( I could be wrong). They more likely contract out their hardware work. From your post it just seems you really do not understand production and distribution and I don't have the time to make a post explaining it. Maybe someone else does. But you need to look at how companies actually get things produced. Most compaiones do not own their own factories but lease or contract factories out on an as needed basis, usually said factories are located in China.

If you are right that just makes my point all the stronger, they can just rent/contract more if they need to, MS has the money 



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thranx on 16 October 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:

So still no actual numbers on how much it sold and ps move still outselling it on amazon, something tells me neither supply nor demand is as wide spread as MS would have us believe 


It hasn't even released yet. As far as I know amazon is sold out of pre orders so no one can buy it there any more. Could be wrong on the amazon part.

how the hell can you be sold out on preorders, preorders are what companies use to judge how many to ship, unless theres serious shortage of them being made I don't see how thats possible, so the sold out is definitely on the supply end of the chain 


Do you understand how production and distribution work? Or what exactly are you trying to say? That they should be able to meet all demand day one?

A multi billion dollar company with hundreds of factories, yep unless the demand is ridiculasly high(several million for day one, which obviously isn't the case), so the problem is on the supply end, either MS is with holding them or their launching it before their ready again and kinect's failrate is going to end up being similar to the 360s at launch 

How many factories does MS own? 100's? I think they actually own none ( I could be wrong). They more likely contract out their hardware work. From your post it just seems you really do not understand production and distribution and I don't have the time to make a post explaining it. Maybe someone else does. But you need to look at how companies actually get things produced. Most compaiones do not own their own factories but lease or contract factories out on an as needed basis, usually said factories are located in China.

If you are right that just makes my point all the stronger, they can just rent/contract more if they need to, MS has the money 


You must not get business or investment or supply and demand at all. Its not just snap fingers and its done. I'll end it here maybe someone else will pick up my slack in explaing the ins and outs of business to you.



unknown_soul89 on 16 October 2010
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:

So still no actual numbers on how much it sold and ps move still outselling it on amazon, something tells me neither supply nor demand is as wide spread as MS would have us believe 


It hasn't even released yet. As far as I know amazon is sold out of pre orders so no one can buy it there any more. Could be wrong on the amazon part.

how the hell can you be sold out on preorders, preorders are what companies use to judge how many to ship, unless theres serious shortage of them being made I don't see how thats possible, so the sold out is definitely on the supply end of the chain 


Do you understand how production and distribution work? Or what exactly are you trying to say? That they should be able to meet all demand day one?

A multi billion dollar company with hundreds of factories, yep unless the demand is ridiculasly high(several million for day one, which obviously isn't the case), so the problem is on the supply end, either MS is with holding them or their launching it before their ready again and kinect's failrate is going to end up being similar to the 360s at launch 

How many factories does MS own? 100's? I think they actually own none ( I could be wrong). They more likely contract out their hardware work. From your post it just seems you really do not understand production and distribution and I don't have the time to make a post explaining it. Maybe someone else does. But you need to look at how companies actually get things produced. Most compaiones do not own their own factories but lease or contract factories out on an as needed basis, usually said factories are located in China.

If you are right that just makes my point all the stronger, they can just rent/contract more if they need to, MS has the money 


You must not get business or investment or supply and demand at all. Its not just snap fingers and its done. I'll end it here maybe someone else will pick up my slack in explaing the ins and outs of business to you.

Right because companies never want jobs, MS has had months to do it, if they wanted more units they could of had them made, it's as simple as that 



thranx on 16 October 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:

So still no actual numbers on how much it sold and ps move still outselling it on amazon, something tells me neither supply nor demand is as wide spread as MS would have us believe 


It hasn't even released yet. As far as I know amazon is sold out of pre orders so no one can buy it there any more. Could be wrong on the amazon part.

how the hell can you be sold out on preorders, preorders are what companies use to judge how many to ship, unless theres serious shortage of them being made I don't see how thats possible, so the sold out is definitely on the supply end of the chain 


Do you understand how production and distribution work? Or what exactly are you trying to say? That they should be able to meet all demand day one?

A multi billion dollar company with hundreds of factories, yep unless the demand is ridiculasly high(several million for day one, which obviously isn't the case), so the problem is on the supply end, either MS is with holding them or their launching it before their ready again and kinect's failrate is going to end up being similar to the 360s at launch 

How many factories does MS own? 100's? I think they actually own none ( I could be wrong). They more likely contract out their hardware work. From your post it just seems you really do not understand production and distribution and I don't have the time to make a post explaining it. Maybe someone else does. But you need to look at how companies actually get things produced. Most compaiones do not own their own factories but lease or contract factories out on an as needed basis, usually said factories are located in China.

If you are right that just makes my point all the stronger, they can just rent/contract more if they need to, MS has the money 


You must not get business or investment or supply and demand at all. Its not just snap fingers and its done. I'll end it here maybe someone else will pick up my slack in explaing the ins and outs of business to you.

Right because companies never want jobs, MS has had months to do it, if they wanted more units they could of had them made, it's as simple as that 


Look at the launch of the ps3, iphone, ipad, wii, etc



unknown_soul89 on 16 October 2010
kowenicki said:
DirtyP2002 said:
unknown_soul89 said:

So still no actual numbers on how much it sold and ps move still outselling it on amazon, something tells me neither supply nor demand is as wide spread as MS would have us believe 
  • game.co.uk
  • play.com
  • amazon.co.uk
  • gamestop.com
  • bestbuy.com
  • newegg.com

are or were all sold out. I think this is quite massive.

MS said 30,000 stores in the US will sell Kinect. 7,000 stores will have a midnight launch.
There will be more kinects in UK than Xbox 360s at launch. The Xbox 360 sold 70k consoles in 2 days in UK.

MS expected to sell 3 million Kinects in 2010.

So we get MUCH more data from MS than Sony for PS Move. All Sony said is: PS Move sales will be slow, but it will get somehow momentum.

All of this information and the anecdotal evidence we have thus far leads me to believe there is something very wrong with the tracking of kinect in the pre-order charts.

The lack of any actual numbers is what concerns me, this whole thing just doesn't seem to add up



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unknown_soul89 on 16 October 2010
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:

So still no actual numbers on how much it sold and ps move still outselling it on amazon, something tells me neither supply nor demand is as wide spread as MS would have us believe 


It hasn't even released yet. As far as I know amazon is sold out of pre orders so no one can buy it there any more. Could be wrong on the amazon part.

how the hell can you be sold out on preorders, preorders are what companies use to judge how many to ship, unless theres serious shortage of them being made I don't see how thats possible, so the sold out is definitely on the supply end of the chain 


Do you understand how production and distribution work? Or what exactly are you trying to say? That they should be able to meet all demand day one?

A multi billion dollar company with hundreds of factories, yep unless the demand is ridiculasly high(several million for day one, which obviously isn't the case), so the problem is on the supply end, either MS is with holding them or their launching it before their ready again and kinect's failrate is going to end up being similar to the 360s at launch 

How many factories does MS own? 100's? I think they actually own none ( I could be wrong). They more likely contract out their hardware work. From your post it just seems you really do not understand production and distribution and I don't have the time to make a post explaining it. Maybe someone else does. But you need to look at how companies actually get things produced. Most compaiones do not own their own factories but lease or contract factories out on an as needed basis, usually said factories are located in China.

If you are right that just makes my point all the stronger, they can just rent/contract more if they need to, MS has the money 


You must not get business or investment or supply and demand at all. Its not just snap fingers and its done. I'll end it here maybe someone else will pick up my slack in explaing the ins and outs of business to you.

Right because companies never want jobs, MS has had months to do it, if they wanted more units they could of had them made, it's as simple as that 


Look at the launch of the ps3, iphone, ipad, wii, etc

what about them, if you want to make a point, I find it best to make it 



thranx on 16 October 2010

When are there ever any numbers? If we do get numbers they are almost always after a product has released.



thranx on 16 October 2010

wow are you for real?



thranx on 16 October 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:

So still no actual numbers on how much it sold and ps move still outselling it on amazon, something tells me neither supply nor demand is as wide spread as MS would have us believe 


It hasn't even released yet. As far as I know amazon is sold out of pre orders so no one can buy it there any more. Could be wrong on the amazon part.

how the hell can you be sold out on preorders, preorders are what companies use to judge how many to ship, unless theres serious shortage of them being made I don't see how thats possible, so the sold out is definitely on the supply end of the chain 


Do you understand how production and distribution work? Or what exactly are you trying to say? That they should be able to meet all demand day one?

A multi billion dollar company with hundreds of factories, yep unless the demand is ridiculasly high(several million for day one, which obviously isn't the case), so the problem is on the supply end, either MS is with holding them or their launching it before their ready again and kinect's failrate is going to end up being similar to the 360s at launch 

How many factories does MS own? 100's? I think they actually own none ( I could be wrong). They more likely contract out their hardware work. From your post it just seems you really do not understand production and distribution and I don't have the time to make a post explaining it. Maybe someone else does. But you need to look at how companies actually get things produced. Most compaiones do not own their own factories but lease or contract factories out on an as needed basis, usually said factories are located in China.

If you are right that just makes my point all the stronger, they can just rent/contract more if they need to, MS has the money 


You must not get business or investment or supply and demand at all. Its not just snap fingers and its done. I'll end it here maybe someone else will pick up my slack in explaing the ins and outs of business to you.

Right because companies never want jobs, MS has had months to do it, if they wanted more units they could of had them made, it's as simple as that 


Look at the launch of the ps3, iphone, ipad, wii, etc

what about them, if you want to make a point, I find it best to make it 

Boy that flew over your head. His point was why expect Microsoft to have no shortages when sony, and nintendo do.



unknown_soul89 on 16 October 2010
thranx said:
Boy that flew over your head. His point was why expect Microsoft to have no shortages when sony, and nintendo do.

 

That makes no sense, for a store to be sold out before a console launches every single shipped unit has to have been sold already (pre orders) meaning anyone who wants to buy it without a pre-order can't, which means automatic shortages, unless the whole sold out thing is just pure BS