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Best Modern President?

Barack Obama 44 20.85%
 
George W. Bush 21 9.95%
 
Bill Clinton 90 42.65%
 
George H.W. Bush 4 1.90%
 
Ronald Reagan 47 22.27%
 
Jimmy Carter 5 2.37%
 
Total:211
Raze said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Raze said:

None of the above. The last good president the US has had was Theodore Roosevelt. They've all been criminals since.



Actually the last great President was JFK. He had some good policies and defied the "privately global banking elite owned" federal reserve by taking their right to print money for the U.S and started printing the dollar from the National Treasury, he refused to go along with a false flag attack (Operation Northwoods) planned by the joint cheifs of staff, which would have caused the U.S to attack Cuba and he also played a fairly large role in the eventual Civil Rights Act.

You cant be sure how he would have turned out if he didnt take a bullet to the face. He could've gotten just as messed up. Plus the ties he had with very sordid people, never know where it could've led to. My choice still stands. =)

I have to disagree, there was a reason why he took a bullet to the face, because they thought he was going to be a puppet president (like Bush and Obama) and he ended up being quite the opposite. Now this in my belief was mainly due to his brother (RFK) who was his advisor, but had he not taken the bullet I bet you the Vietnam War would  have never happened as t is widely believe that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was itself a false flag that LBJ allowed to happen.



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I voted Reagan, but torn between him and Clinton.

Reagan cut taxes which spurred growth. Got us out of Carter's stagflation mess. Defeated communism. However, he raised the deficit, which wasn't good.

Clinton had less to dislike, but he did less as well. Clinton did nothing particularly bad. He was fortunate to have a very dedicated Republican congress that balanced the budget.

To get a truly good president, you have to go back to the 20's with Harding/Cooledge or even further back with Cleveland. Otherwise, most presidents have been pretty bad, or died too quickly (JFK)



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Reugan, easily.

He absolutely pwned Commies, destroyed USSR and made America the uberpower which dominated and had control all over the world. It's  outrageous that this dominance has been only slipping away since then. Instead of establishing New Order, the government is just marking their time.



Lyndon Johnson forever. The last effective expansion of social welfare programs (TBD. We'll see if Obama gets a chance to more aggressively expand the new health care plans), and he crushed racism in a way that even Obama is too scared to tackle. It's too bad that Vietnam has effectively alienated him from the bleeding-heart set, because otherwise he could be more of an idol to liberals than Reagan is to conservatives



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

I'm stuck between Clinton and Bush Senior.

Clinton's presidency went off mostly like a dream, but it was "right place, right time".

While Bush Senior, he didn't get elected for a second term becase he did the exact opposite of everything Bush Junior did.  Didn't occupy Iraq, raised taxes to no deficit spend.

Didn't stop a minor recession and pass on the legacy of pain to a bigger disaster.

 

I think, I'm going to go George Bush SR.

If their presidencies were switched, I don't see Clinton doing as well as George Bush SR did in his.  All of senior's problems just seemed to be related to when he was given his presidency.

I see him handeling the other presidencies "terms" better in general.

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1) HW Bush

2) Clinton - Had it easy, not sure how he'd handle any of the troubles the other presidents had.

3) Reagan - Which is saying something... because I consider reagan a bad president.  Yeah, he did good... but he did a bit way too much sketchy stuff.... and the USSR was likely to fall without our intervention at that point.

4) Jimmy Carter - a monumentally bad president... but at least I know why he was a bad president.  He was way too nice and simple.  He was one of those idealists that pretend that their ideal world is the real world.  Unlike the next two... at least he would of did a good job during the Clinton years.

5) Bush/Obama - I can't really rate one worse then the other unless Obama improves.  They're like Pierce/Buchanon.  Who's worse, the guy who causes the crisis or the guy who fucks up the crisis so bad it gets monumentally worse?



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Raze said:

None of the above. The last good president the US has had was Theodore Roosevelt. They've all been criminals since.


Great President! Although I do think Dwight Eisenhower was a good one too.



Mr Khan said:

Lyndon Johnson forever. The last effective expansion of social welfare programs (TBD. We'll see if Obama gets a chance to more aggressively expand the new health care plans), and he crushed racism in a way that even Obama is too scared to tackle. It's too bad that Vietnam has effectively alienated him from the bleeding-heart set, because otherwise he could be more of an idol to liberals than Reagan is to conservatives

  • Government run health care is a joke
  • LBJ was an awful wartime president
  • how did LBJ crush racism?


Raze said:

None of the above. The last good president the US has had was Theodore Roosevelt. They've all been criminals since.

You can still be the best.  Just by being the "least worst".

Theodore Roosevelt was one of a kind though.  He'd basically sum up my ideal political standings.



How in the fuck is Clinton getting the most votes

The Community Reinvestment Act helped lead to the mortgage crisis of a couple years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

 

He encouraged banks to give mortgages to low and middle class people who would normally not get given mortgages. When housing prices dropped and people were paying mortgages worth more than their houses, guess who defaulted on their mortgages? Yep you guessed it, low and middle class families. Way to go Clinton.



I find it interesting that both the fiscally conservative and the liberals are fans of Clinton, I think its only social conservatives who don't like him.

Basically he was a charming liberal who ran a surplus and didn't fuck up with foreign policy.

 

Edit: Did Clinton run a surplus or just have a deficit smaller than growth of GDP? I can't remember.