The proper response I think should be to attack them in the media and make sure everyone knows just how horrible they are. Which is being done.
Unless they're inciting violance against families of servicepeople then I don't see what else could (or should) be done. Its not freedom unless it goes both ways. Freedom is great, but ugly.
I think the right answer here is to do something similar on one of their funerals. Hope some of them die soon enough :)
The irony of it is. That its good Men and Women like the deceased who are out their fighting so that Americans like the Westboro church members can even have the freedom to say shit like that. Isn't their a law in your constitution that states they're can be a limit to freedom of speech if it impedes on another persons rights and freedoms?
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Hrm... I'm definitely watching this case. I think the Snyder family has the right idea- it's not a case of free speech, it's the targetted way they are doing the protests.
Yes, one has the right to say what they want... up to a point. The classic 'fire in a crowded building' case is not protected because of the potential harm it can do. And what they are doing here, by targetting military funerals, is again, potentially causes harm to those in the military, a selective form of discrimination, and, possibly, tryable under hate crimes for a specific group. They're not going to get busted on the free speech issue, that's a bad slope to start. (And thus, why I think the church is going that way.) But, what they can do, is get them for harassment. We have a clear case of slander, with the poem on their website, also. There's plenty of things for the justices to get them on, without making the determination of a free speech restriction.
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| ShadowSoldier said: The irony of it is. That its good Men and Women like the deceased who are out their fighting so that Americans like the Westboro church members can even have the freedom to say shit like that. Isn't their a law in your constitution that states they're can be a limit to freedom of speech if it impedes on another persons rights and freedoms? |
That's called slander/libel.
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| dunno001 said: Hrm... I'm definitely watching this case. I think the Snyder family has the right idea- it's not a case of free speech, it's the targetted way they are doing the protests. Yes, one has the right to say what they want... up to a point. The classic 'fire in a crowded building' case is not protected because of the potential harm it can do. And what they are doing here, by targetting military funerals, is again, potentially causes harm to those in the military, a selective form of discrimination, and, possibly, tryable under hate crimes for a specific group. They're not going to get busted on the free speech issue, that's a bad slope to start. (And thus, why I think the church is going that way.) But, what they can do, is get them for harassment. We have a clear case of slander, with the poem on their website, also. There's plenty of things for the justices to get them on, without making the determination of a free speech restriction. |
I'm not certain of the terms under which the case was filed, though. The Supreme Court is not a district attorney, they can't decide what these people have done wrong, they're merely to decide whether the grounds under which Snyder has sued merit him getting $5 million (but their decision will set the precedent for legal interpretation until they decide differently)
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| Mr Khan said: It's like if i picked up a megaphone and started walking down the street calling everyone assholes. Certainly the cops would stop me for that, right? Protected speech has limits in terms of how obnoxious you are
Which isn't projecting on the content of their message at all. Equally i bet if someone picked up a megaphone and starting walking down the street yelling "Save Darfur," it would fall under the same line of thinking
It's a horrible message, but i'm thinking that, looking beyond it, their actions are, well, actionable, based on them just being jerks (completely aside from the message) |
I don't think you'd be stopped because you were obnoxious... you'd be stopped because you were loud.
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