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whatever on 06 October 2010
Grimes said:
Mitsurugi said:

Sony,why tell me something if I doesnt pertain to my region? Is it just to torture me?


The cable/satellite companies use private encryption on their programming. So to record from these sources, you have to go through these companies and they want money for it. This is why they sell their own boxes, because then they can keep 100% of the money.

Yes, but they are required by law to provide cable cards at very low cost (TIVO uses these).  This could easily be incorporated into a PS3 (or 360) add on unit.



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Grimes on 06 October 2010
whatever said:
Grimes said:
Mitsurugi said:

Sony,why tell me something if I doesnt pertain to my region? Is it just to torture me?


The cable/satellite companies use private encryption on their programming. So to record from these sources, you have to go through these companies and they want money for it. This is why they sell their own boxes, because then they can keep 100% of the money.

Yes, but they are required by law to provide cable cards at very low cost (TIVO uses these).  This could easily be incorporated into a PS3 (or 360) add on unit.

You mean cable card which the FCC admitted was a failure?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/fcc-admits-cablecard-a-failure-vows-to-try-something-else.ars



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

thismeintiel on 06 October 2010
Ldn.se said:
thismeintiel said:
Ldn.se said:

Is Torne in Japan what we have as Play Tv in Europe?

No.  Torne is a DVR, which allows you to record programs off of the TV.  I'm guessing it won't come state-side because of legal reasons, which is a damn shame.  Though, I do wish we at least had Play TV like you do in EU.  Doesn't seem like there would be too much of a legal hurdle.  I mean it only plays Sony owned content, right?

But thats what play tv is for: to record programs and watch all the availabe digital channels.

Wow, really?  I didn't know that.  I thought it was just for viewing various content on the PS3.  Didn't know you could record it, too.  Man, I hope Sony brings something like this to the states. 

So I guess your answer is yes, then.  LOL!



 

whatever on 06 October 2010
Grimes said:
whatever said:
Grimes said:
Mitsurugi said:

Sony,why tell me something if I doesnt pertain to my region? Is it just to torture me?


The cable/satellite companies use private encryption on their programming. So to record from these sources, you have to go through these companies and they want money for it. This is why they sell their own boxes, because then they can keep 100% of the money.

Yes, but they are required by law to provide cable cards at very low cost (TIVO uses these).  This could easily be incorporated into a PS3 (or 360) add on unit.

You mean cable card which the FCC admitted was a failure?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/fcc-admits-cablecard-a-failure-vows-to-try-something-else.ars

Where does it say it won't exist anymore? 



superchunk on 06 October 2010

My DVR at home is 200gb and I've never had an issue with size. I have a 250gb ps3... why can't I just do the same thing with my current PS3?

Eitherway it seems odd as my programming does not go through my PS3 so how would this even work? My current setup and watch/record 2 different things while even watching a 3rd item already recorded.



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Grimes on 06 October 2010
whatever said:
Grimes said:
whatever said:
Grimes said:
Mitsurugi said:

Sony,why tell me something if I doesnt pertain to my region? Is it just to torture me?


The cable/satellite companies use private encryption on their programming. So to record from these sources, you have to go through these companies and they want money for it. This is why they sell their own boxes, because then they can keep 100% of the money.

Yes, but they are required by law to provide cable cards at very low cost (TIVO uses these).  This could easily be incorporated into a PS3 (or 360) add on unit.

You mean cable card which the FCC admitted was a failure?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/fcc-admits-cablecard-a-failure-vows-to-try-something-else.ars

Where does it say it won't exist anymore? 

I didn't say it doesn't exist. But without the cable companies support it has gone nowhere fast. There is no financial incentive for the cable companies to support it, so they drag their feet which effectively kills it.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

SamuelRSmith on 06 October 2010
superchunk said:

My DVR at home is 200gb and I've never had an issue with size. I have a 250gb ps3... why can't I just do the same thing with my current PS3?

Eitherway it seems odd as my programming does not go through my PS3 so how would this even work? My current setup and watch/record 2 different things while even watching a 3rd item already recorded.


This device lets you put your TV feed through the PS3 (if it's the same as PlayTV), it's basically a hardware addon for the PS3 with some software which lets you use your PS3 as a DVR.

Isn't the ability to watch/record multiple channels a standard feature of most DVRs?



whatever on 06 October 2010
Grimes said:
whatever said:
Grimes said:
whatever said:
Grimes said:
Mitsurugi said:

Sony,why tell me something if I doesnt pertain to my region? Is it just to torture me?


The cable/satellite companies use private encryption on their programming. So to record from these sources, you have to go through these companies and they want money for it. This is why they sell their own boxes, because then they can keep 100% of the money.

Yes, but they are required by law to provide cable cards at very low cost (TIVO uses these).  This could easily be incorporated into a PS3 (or 360) add on unit.

You mean cable card which the FCC admitted was a failure?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/fcc-admits-cablecard-a-failure-vows-to-try-something-else.ars

Where does it say it won't exist anymore? 

I didn't say it doesn't exist. But without the cable companies support it has gone nowhere fast. There is no financial incentive for the cable companies to support it, so they drag their feet which effectively kills it.

The cable companies have no choice but to support it.  It just hasn't had the "killer app" yet.  It's not going to go away.  The main problem has been its "one-way" nature so you can't get on demand programming.  But that will be taken care of in the next iteration.  Also, most people don't even know about it, but I use one in my TV.  It works great and it's less than $3 a month.

If someone like Sony or M$ were to provide a reasonably priced add-on ($200 or less), that could be the "killer app" it would need to become relevant.



Grimes on 06 October 2010
whatever said:

The cable companies have no choice but to support it.  It just hasn't had the "killer app" yet.  It's not going to go away.  The main problem has been its "one-way" nature so you can't get on demand programming.  But that will be taken care of in the next iteration.  Also, most people don't even know about it, but I use one in my TV.  It works great and it's less than $3 a month.

If someone like Sony or M$ were to provide a reasonably priced add-on ($200 or less), that could be the "killer app" it would need to become relevant.


I actually think the concept of the cable card was a good one. I'm just a realist and recognize a failure when I see one. I mean cable card was legislated in 1996 and 14 years later nobody knows about it.

There is no money in making this 'killer app'. Tivo was about as close to a killer app as you can get and what happened? The cable companies copied it and kept all they money for themselves. Microsoft even tried, it was called UltimateTV. What happened? Nothing because there was no money in it.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

whatever on 06 October 2010
Grimes said:
whatever said:

The cable companies have no choice but to support it.  It just hasn't had the "killer app" yet.  It's not going to go away.  The main problem has been its "one-way" nature so you can't get on demand programming.  But that will be taken care of in the next iteration.  Also, most people don't even know about it, but I use one in my TV.  It works great and it's less than $3 a month.

If someone like Sony or M$ were to provide a reasonably priced add-on ($200 or less), that could be the "killer app" it would need to become relevant.


I actually think the concept of the cable card was a good one. I'm just a realist and recognize a failure when I see one. I mean cable card was legislated in 1996 and 14 years later nobody knows about it.

There is no money in making this 'killer app'. Tivo was about as close to a killer app as you can get and what happened? The cable companies copied it and kept all they money for themselves. Microsoft even tried, it was called UltimateTV. What happened? Nothing because there was no money in it.

TIVO didn't do it because you still have to pay a monthly fee.  Your choice is to lay out $400-$800 dollars for TIVO and pay $12 a month or pay no initial cost and only around $15 a month to the cable company.  It's a no brainer for most people.

If a solution came out at $200 or less with no monthly fee, you'd see some real competition for the cable companies.  It may not be cost effective right now, but it could be in the near future.