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Kasz216 said:

If you want to go farther then that... it's all England's fault.


This I 100% agree with and really its scary how many other nations can look at their current situation and turn around and glare at England.



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superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:

If you want to go farther then that... it's all England's fault.


This I 100% agree with and really its scary how many other nations can look at their current situation and turn around and glare at England.


We've learned our lesson! Now, when we fuck countries over, we fly the American flag!



SamuelRSmith said:
superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:

If you want to go farther then that... it's all England's fault.


This I 100% agree with and really its scary how many other nations can look at their current situation and turn around and glare at England.


We've learned our lesson! Now, when we fuck countries over, we fly the American flag!

Yeah, you generally don't become a superpower without fucking over some countries.  Though you gotta admit the UK pretty much did the biggest and "best" screwovers, mostly because they got to most places first.

The places the US screws over are mostly just places England and Spain already screwed over. 



Kasz216 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:

If you want to go farther then that... it's all England's fault.


This I 100% agree with and really its scary how many other nations can look at their current situation and turn around and glare at England.


We've learned our lesson! Now, when we fuck countries over, we fly the American flag!

Yeah, you generally don't become a superpower without fucking over some countries.  Though you gotta admit the UK pretty much did the biggest and "best" screwovers, mostly because they got to most places first.

The places the US screws over are mostly just places England and Spain already screwed over.

Just like all the great powers, we've done terrible things, but we've also done a lot of good. Not that one justifies the other, just that it's part-in-parcel of being number one. Particularly in times of past, where morals were perhaps different (talking about the atrocities of the pre-Victorian empire, here).

You're right about it being who got there first, and I have no doubts that if the power base was different then, Asia and Africa would have fucked Europe over just as badly.



Kasz216 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:

If you want to go farther then that... it's all England's fault.


This I 100% agree with and really its scary how many other nations can look at their current situation and turn around and glare at England.


We've learned our lesson! Now, when we fuck countries over, we fly the American flag!

Yeah, you generally don't become a superpower without fucking over some countries.  Though you gotta admit the UK pretty much did the biggest and "best" screwovers, mostly because they got to most places first.

The places the US screws over are mostly just places England and Spain already screwed over. 

lets not forget the french,ooh la la



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zuvuyeay said:
Kasz216 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:

If you want to go farther then that... it's all England's fault.


This I 100% agree with and really its scary how many other nations can look at their current situation and turn around and glare at England.


We've learned our lesson! Now, when we fuck countries over, we fly the American flag!

Yeah, you generally don't become a superpower without fucking over some countries.  Though you gotta admit the UK pretty much did the biggest and "best" screwovers, mostly because they got to most places first.

The places the US screws over are mostly just places England and Spain already screwed over. 

lets not forget the french,ooh la la

True... probably the dutch too, unless Sid Meyer's pirates has lied to me.



The Turks, Russians, and Germans have also had their fair share of fuck overs.



2 peoples who see themselves as ethnically, culturally and religiously distinct believe they have an ancient prior right to the land area that is defined is today known as Israel, the West Bank and Gaza strip. Disagreement, and violence ensues.

Frankly I don't see anything much changing while they see each other as different, and hence a threat to each other. The only enduring solution is a one state solution with both peoples coexisting within the same country with mutual recognition of a right to live there. The settlements have made the 2 state solution a stillborn idea.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

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binary solo said:

2 peoples who see themselves as ethnically, culturally and religiously distinct believe they have an ancient prior right to the land area that is defined is today known as Israel, the West Bank and Gaza strip. Disagreement, and violence ensues.

Frankly I don't see anything much changing while they see each other as different, and hence a threat to each other. The only enduring solution is a one state solution with both peoples coexisting within the same country with mutual recognition of a right to live there. The settlements have made the 2 state solution a stillborn idea.


Or one group could get fed up and frocibly deport the other.

That's the one i'd bet on.



Kasz216 said:

The very short of it?

There was an UN agreement in place.

Israel agreed, Palestine didn't and started a war with a bunch of arab states who actually didn't give a shit about them and probably planned to divy up palestine once they won.

Except they didn't win.  Palsetine lost... the other nations were pushed out.

So Palestine now want to go back to the UN deal.  With Israel saying "hell no, you had your chance and you started a war."

 

If you want to go farther then that... it's all England's fault.

But the UN was only made up of about 58 countries then right? Many Empires were still intact and the people of the region actually living there for centuries had no say so it wasn't a very democratic outcome. Furthermore the international community (except the US, Israel and some Islands in the Pacific) for more than 3 decades agreed to the 1967 borders. Israel with US backing refuses to adhere to the majority consensus and continues to defy international law.

superchunks post explains it the best.