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Metallicube on 18 September 2010
CGI-Quality said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Have Nintendo ever lost a home console or handheld gen when they've used NES/SNES controls combined with 2D Mario?

Nope.

That's not condescending, just facts. Granted Sony paid for a lot of games but this gen has shown that Nintendo can win all by itself with simple controls and 2d Mario.

2D Mario has hardly anything to do with the Wii's lead though. It would be fact if 2D Mario had launched with the Wii, but it didn't. So it's your speculation at best.

Also, calling posters "kids" in an attempt to talk down to them is quite condescending, sir.

2D Mario may not have anything to do with Wii becoming a hit, but it has a lot to do with Wii's resurgence in late 2009. If not for NSMB Wii, I'm pretty confident Wii would be near dead right now and everyone would be talking about how the "fad is finally dead"



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leatherhat on 18 September 2010
FlyingLotus said:
leatherhat said:


I gotta agree with Seece on this one, nintendo fans seem to feel like there is a certain inevitability to nintendos continued dominance. Which is probably how nintendo fans felt as the snes was leading into the N64.


You could say the same for sony for 2 gens.


Yes you could



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Metallicube on 18 September 2010
Pyro as Bill said:

Nobody beats Nintendo when they are being Nintendo. Motion control is Nintendo's domain now.

You kids weren't around to see what happens to companies that challenge Nintendo at what they do best. Sony got lucky and combined with Nintendo making an overly complex controller and abandoning their fans by dumping 2d Mario in favour of the "hardcore" cost them. Well it didn't actually cost them because they still made a profit unlike certain conglomerates that can piss money down the drain to hijack gaming for their own ends.

You kids might not remember something called a Gameboy, it killed all challengers with it's casual shades of green. You think HD means anything compared to different shades of green V colour?

Nintendo is going to continue to put it's biggest IPs onto the motion control stage while MS and Sony half heartedly tack it on.

The 3DS is just a taster of what Nintendo can do to the competiton. I'd love to see Nintendo crack open their 26Billion dollar warchest. How many timed exclusives would that buy? 

Edit: Not that Nintendo needs timed exclusives because they can make first party games.

I wouldn't necessarilly call Sony's success in the mid 90s - early 2000s a matter of luck, but Sega and Nintendo certainly did help in their own decline through their actions. What Sony did was essentially gather all third party support to them freeing them from restrictions which enabled them to release a plethora of games that drew in larger crowds from the sheer quantity of the library. This also happened at a time when Sega was in major decline with terrible business decisions and Nintendo had started to lose touch with the masses by abandoning 2D Mario and releasing more complex games. So it was more what Sega/Nintendo did wrong than what Sony did right.

Sony's success is a prime example of how having the biggest game library usually translates to the most success, since there are more games to chose from.



Smashchu2 on 18 September 2010
CGI-Quality said:
Metallicube said:
CGI-Quality said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Have Nintendo ever lost a home console or handheld gen when they've used NES/SNES controls combined with 2D Mario?

Nope.

That's not condescending, just facts. Granted Sony paid for a lot of games but this gen has shown that Nintendo can win all by itself with simple controls and 2d Mario.

2D Mario has hardly anything to do with the Wii's lead though. It would be fact if 2D Mario had launched with the Wii, but it didn't. So it's your speculation at best.

Also, calling posters "kids" in an attempt to talk down to them is quite condescending, sir.

2D Mario may not have anything to do with Wii becoming a hit, but it has a lot to do with Wii's resurgence in late 2009. If not for NSMB Wii, I'm pretty confident Wii would be near dead right now and everyone would be talking about how the "fad is finally dead"

I agree that 2D Mario rejuvenated the console's latter part of 2009. It hasn't single-handily put the console where it is today, however.

That wasn't the argument though. You made up that point. The orginal poster said that Nintendo has never lost a gen when they have 2D Mario.



Pyro as Bill on 18 September 2010
CGI-Quality said:
Metallicube said:
CGI-Quality said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Have Nintendo ever lost a home console or handheld gen when they've used NES/SNES controls combined with 2D Mario?

Nope.

That's not condescending, just facts. Granted Sony paid for a lot of games but this gen has shown that Nintendo can win all by itself with simple controls and 2d Mario.

2D Mario has hardly anything to do with the Wii's lead though. It would be fact if 2D Mario had launched with the Wii, but it didn't. So it's your speculation at best.

Also, calling posters "kids" in an attempt to talk down to them is quite condescending, sir.

2D Mario may not have anything to do with Wii becoming a hit, but it has a lot to do with Wii's resurgence in late 2009. If not for NSMB Wii, I'm pretty confident Wii would be near dead right now and everyone would be talking about how the "fad is finally dead"

I agree that 2D Mario rejuvenated the console's latter part of 2009. It hasn't single-handily put the console where it is today, however.

I covered that with simple controls. The fact that Wii Sports Tennis is more intuitive and accessible than Pong. But anyone could have pulled that off. Well, maybe Sega, Sony and MS couldn't. Nintendo games combined with accessible controls and the inevitable return of 2D Mario (after DS success), Mario Kart and Link no longer being a cartoon character all helped sell the console to different extents.



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Seece on 18 September 2010

Oh god CGI, you'll never win this one, look who you're against

"sony got lucky" rubbish, it takes more than luck to have 2 consoles sell over 100 million units, something Nintendo has yet to achieve.

Ya'll like to believe Nintendo was never out of the game.



 

Pyro as Bill on 19 September 2010
CGI-Quality said:
Pyro as Bill said:

I covered that with simple controls. The fact that Wii Sports Tennis is more intuitive and accessible than Pong. But anyone could have pulled that off. Well, maybe Sega, Sony and MS couldn't. Nintendo games combined with accessible controls and the inevitable return of 2D Mario (after DS success), Mario Kart and Link no longer being a cartoon character all helped sell the console to different extents.

I agree for the most part, but that isn't what you initially said.


Kart Racers, 2D platformers, 3d platformers, handheld specific games ie Pokemon, Brain Training, Nintendogs, and now motion control. Has Nintendo ever lost to any competitor?

I'm trying to think of a game genre that they've lost after successfully creating. Help? 

Nintendo's playing their A-game and Rare is dead so I don't see much chance of Nintendo being successfully copied.



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Boutros on 19 September 2010

I'm trying to understand what you guys are arguing about <.<



Seece on 19 September 2010
Boutros said:

I'm trying to understand what you guys are arguing about <.<

Nintendo own motion and the other two are trashy copy cats that are being naughty for stealing, more or less.



 

Pyro as Bill on 19 September 2010
Seece said:
Boutros said:

I'm trying to understand what you guys are arguing about <.<

Nintendo own motion and the other two are trashy copy cats that are being naughty for stealing, more or less.


Careful Seece, some would consider 'trashy copy cats' trolling. I wouldn't but y'know what some folk are like. They're not cheap rip offs, Kinect is £130 for example.



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