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Bitmap Frogs said:

Every since I think it was late 2008/early 2009 the mod staff was shuffled moderation has gone to crap, specially concerning 360 trolling.

In the old days mods would read the forum and check post history which resulted in waaay better moderation.

These days they just manage the report queue so without background information on the poster everything is considered "just opinion". So trolling is a free for all game again, specially on the X360 subforum. Try something like this talking about the Wii or the PS3 and you'll be toast.

Heck, I took TWO bans for stating a truth. For the record, one was a truth which shed a bad light on PS3 posters, the other shed a bad light on X360 posters.

That's why I suggest anyone who's serious about a gaming forum to just join GAF. Moderators there are quirky but they can spot a troll miles away. To give you an idea, Crazzyman lasted months if not years here. On GAF, didn't last a week.

*grumbles* You do know that whining like this on the forum is usually frowned upon, right? If you have a problem with a moderator, or the way that the mod team is acting in general, then talk to the admin in charge of moderators! Everyone on this forum is (I hope) human, and thus, prone to mistakes.

As someone who was brought on well after this period, but has experience moderating other forums for longer than you've been a member here, I can tell you what I think: I think that yes, a user's post history is important. However, it is unreasonable to expect a mod to look up all of a user's posts to determine their entire history. Looking at prior moderator actions toward the user is actually a good way of doing it. What it tells me when I look at someone's history is what they've had a penchant for doing that was not liked, AND that they've been told not to do it before. If someone has a history of trolling a company, and someone else alerts on it, I'll look at the mod history and see that yes, they have a problem with this, and be more likely to take a harsher action.

Regarding your bans, I've looked them up, and I can see why all 3 were issued. Your first ban I can make an argument for either way, but I can see why it would be ban-worthy. I probably wouldn't have done a ban, but it all comes down to the variance in people. Your second ban I can, in theory, make an argument against, but I agree with, and also would, ban for that post myself. While hype is known to be used for some, your post insinuated that everything on the PS3 is hyped, and that nothing there lived up to said hype. But overhyped things exist on every system; it's not unique to Sony. And your 3rd ban, well.. yeah. Any moderator should've banned for that. I don't remember the exact wording, but saying that everyone in thread has their panties in a tizzy is a clear flame to users.

If you really have a problem with a forum, the best thing I can tell you to do is to speak up the ladder. I can't speak for the crazzy incident, since I wasn't a mod at that time, but there are a few people that I will admit that I think it took too long to get rid of. Nonetheless, they're gone now. What I can say is that the ban process has been streamlined so that you don't get 14 strikes before being perma-banned; this was part of how crazzy lasted so long. I'd say that it's something we as a mod team, both old and new, have already learned from. And, as you can see with this last batch that included myself moving up, there's still some shaking going on. You know what, too? It's a good thing. Otherwise, people get complacent and a few of the trolls know what they can get away with. I can tell you that I've been taking actions against a few people who've been getting away with stuff. But I'm not going to turn things into a witch hunt. The best way to get me to look at a post, yes, is to report it. If the report is still there when I get on the site, I'll act on it if I deem it needbe. However, as you cite with the 360, we do have fewer fans of that system here; that's been the case as long as I can remember. And with fewer fans of it, fewer people alert on the trolling, thus, we see less of it.

At least for me, I take pride in trying to be a fair mod. It's not a secret that everyone has preferences; mine are actually fairly easy to see. But despite my not being a fan of the PS3, I still would have taken action on your post regarding the hyping. My job as a moderator is not to mod what I don't like, it's to enforce the rules. And a baseless attack on a system is a rule violation, even if it's not to my favorite system...

Anyway, this is enough sidebarring. Let's get back on topic, please.



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cough_ troll thread_ cough, Seems to me his intent is basicly to flame Kinect

Well to be honest, this thread did the opposite because of your trolling my interest in kinect > move now



If you think there's a troll thread that moderators aren't doing anything, do you know the easiest way to fix that problem?

Don't post in it.



twesterm said:

If you think there's a troll thread that moderators aren't doing anything, do you know the easiest way to fix that problem?

Don't post in it.



but thats a problem when its right in front of your face, how about just deleting it than



Lyrikalstylez said:
twesterm said:

If you think there's a troll thread that moderators aren't doing anything, do you know the easiest way to fix that problem?

Don't post in it.



but thats a problem when its right in front of your face, how about just deleting it than

If it's a troll thread then:

  • 1. It just doesn't matter.  Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo doesn't need you to defend them.
  • 2. Don't post in it so it will just fade away on its own
  • 3. When you respond to trolls you're only giving them what they want.

Just friendly advice. 



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dunno001 said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

Every since I think it was late 2008/early 2009 the mod staff was shuffled moderation has gone to crap, specially concerning 360 trolling.

In the old days mods would read the forum and check post history which resulted in waaay better moderation.

These days they just manage the report queue so without background information on the poster everything is considered "just opinion". So trolling is a free for all game again, specially on the X360 subforum. Try something like this talking about the Wii or the PS3 and you'll be toast.

Heck, I took TWO bans for stating a truth. For the record, one was a truth which shed a bad light on PS3 posters, the other shed a bad light on X360 posters.

That's why I suggest anyone who's serious about a gaming forum to just join GAF. Moderators there are quirky but they can spot a troll miles away. To give you an idea, Crazzyman lasted months if not years here. On GAF, didn't last a week.

*grumbles* You do know that whining like this on the forum is usually frowned upon, right? If you have a problem with a moderator, or the way that the mod team is acting in general, then talk to the admin in charge of moderators! Everyone on this forum is (I hope) human, and thus, prone to mistakes.

I respect you for taking the time to post everything you did after this sentence but for the record the above doesn't work.  Some of my moderations are extremely harsh intepretations yet this is never factored into a decision.  Read my mod history if you like, I think it's harsh to simply hide behind the phrase you've done something vaguely similar before so you're banned when you see countless other posts not moderated that are worse.  Flaming and trolling seem to be the favoured ban reasons on here where as personally I think perhaps baiting should be enforced more often.  All too often people post "extreme" opinion as fact and then just watch the fall out, getting off without any moderation.

I think it unfair calling this a troll thread mind you, it's an opinion on technology that is unfinished so there very well might have been such issues in a earlier build that allowed the author to draw such conclusions.



slowmo said:
dunno001 said:

*grumbles* You do know that whining like this on the forum is usually frowned upon, right? If you have a problem with a moderator, or the way that the mod team is acting in general, then talk to the admin in charge of moderators! Everyone on this forum is (I hope) human, and thus, prone to mistakes.

I respect you for taking the time to post everything you did after this sentence but for the record the above doesn't work.  Some of my moderations are extremely harsh intepretations yet this is never factored into a decision.  Read my mod history if you like, I think it's harsh to simply hide behind the phrase you've done something vaguely similar before so you're banned when you see countless other posts not moderated that are worse.  Flaming and trolling seem to be the favoured ban reasons on here where as personally I think perhaps baiting should be enforced more often.  All too often people post "extreme" opinion as fact and then just watch the fall out, getting off without any moderation.

I think it unfair calling this a troll thread mind you, it's an opinion on technology that is unfinished so there very well might have been such issues in a earlier build that allowed the author to draw such conclusions.

What you wish abou baiting is quite difficult to enforce, the border between a part possibly baiting and the opposite one overreacting is quite vague, unless the bait is so blatant to become almost trolling.

Although a criterion quite logical could be that if only the most die-hard fans of the targeted platform react, it most probably wasn't a bannable bait, but a milder one if it actually even was.



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@tuscaniman

You complain about leo-j scouring the internet to find negative comments about Kinect. But I think the problem is you wich to live in ignorance about how bad Kinect might be.



eb30577 said:

@tuscaniman

You complain about leo-j scouring the internet to find negative comments about Kinect. But I think the problem is you wich to live in ignorance about how bad Kinect might be.



No chance of that happening I can assure you of that, more chance of believing that kinect did not work at all.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
slowmo said:
dunno001 said:

*grumbles* You do know that whining like this on the forum is usually frowned upon, right? If you have a problem with a moderator, or the way that the mod team is acting in general, then talk to the admin in charge of moderators! Everyone on this forum is (I hope) human, and thus, prone to mistakes.

I respect you for taking the time to post everything you did after this sentence but for the record the above doesn't work.  Some of my moderations are extremely harsh intepretations yet this is never factored into a decision.  Read my mod history if you like, I think it's harsh to simply hide behind the phrase you've done something vaguely similar before so you're banned when you see countless other posts not moderated that are worse.  Flaming and trolling seem to be the favoured ban reasons on here where as personally I think perhaps baiting should be enforced more often.  All too often people post "extreme" opinion as fact and then just watch the fall out, getting off without any moderation.

I think it unfair calling this a troll thread mind you, it's an opinion on technology that is unfinished so there very well might have been such issues in a earlier build that allowed the author to draw such conclusions.

What you wish abou baiting is quite difficult to enforce, the border between a part possibly baiting and the opposite one overreacting is quite vague, unless the bait is so blatant to become almost trolling.

Although a criterion quite logical could be that if only the most die-hard fans of the targeted platform react, it most probably wasn't a bannable bait, but a milder one if it actually even was.


Moderation is always based on opinion anyway so it's no different to any other rule to enforce.