Total flame bait thread which seems to have been successful in managing to get a person banned. Well done keep it up. 

Darn, when I read that I though Leo-J finally got banned for stealth trolling:(

Its  funny, i thought the same thing

So, MS says its product is wonderful and works perfectly...

"Innkeeper, how's the wine"?

"Good"!

haha, same thoughts.

Do you seriously expect MS saying that their hardware has lag issues and can't track 1:1?

I dont support Leo j in posting negative crap just for the sake of it, but what the heck with some comments here?!? The current kinect boxing game doesnt track legs at all. Though, it seems to capture fast movement well enough. It looks like great fun, but precision isnt anything special.

Bopping....Weaving....Shoulder rolling are all detectable 'Upper body' movements?   You're right, I love it when people talk out of their asses.   Yes footwork is important in boxing but even more so than that is responsiveness and accuracy.  Two things that it appears Kinect will not have.  

I also forgot to add that when you track the hand angle and 3D position perfectly, you can easily extrapolate the arm and shoulder position precisely. So each tech, if program correctly, knows where your shoulders are and what is your shoulders movements. Ever try moving your shoulders without your hands changing angle or position? Since the hand is the extremity, any change in the rest of the arm and shoulder will result in a unique position of the hand position and angle (angle is very important here). Should precise im talking about natural movements here.

Actually, I do not see either of them being tremendously successful this generation.  Until their refined versions are bundled with the PS4/Nextbox, they will be nothing more than a peripheral (light gun, Sega CD etc.)  It is good that Sony/MS are testing the waters, but honestly, I do not think it will make a significant impact for either.

Take my case for example, while I prefer Move's implemendation, I probably won't get it at all.  I already have a Wii, and with WMPlus I really haven't seen anything on Move (or Kinect) that excites me.  Sony/MS can bash Wii all they want, but the fact remains that Wii has a solid, prexisting library of motion games, and I have seen little software that makes me want to move (pun intended).

There are many in my posistion, so I hold that neither Move or Kinect will be truly successful until bundled at launch.  Then again, I am a PC gamer too, so maybe console-only gamers would be more likely to buy Move/Kinect.

So you think kinect can't track those? On what are you basing that assumption? :)