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How about this?

He comes out of the closet.

If he can't handle jeering or insults then that sucks for him.

His parents aren't going to stop helping him get through college because they figure out he's bi.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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voty2000 said:
sapphi_snake said:
voty2000 said:

I'm not a big fan of lying so yes.

Well then I suppose you're wiling to find Salvatore a new enoturage of friends and potentially give him a place to live in and pay his 6 years of med school. If your not then think of another solution.

He'll find new friends at school and if his other friends no longer like him because he is gay then he needs to be rid of them anyway.  He can get student loans to pay for school and a place to live.  Most the people I know had student loans and ended up fine.  Also, quit being over-dramatic.  He's an adult now and should behave as one.  Living a lie is no way to live.

Salvatore lives in Romania. There's no such things as student loans over here. Plus as I've said, he doesn't want to come out, I told him that he should but he says he's scared and doesn't feel ready. It's his decision so all I can do is help him make his current situation work. Plus, Romania is likeAmerica in the 60s when it comes to the aceptence of homosexuality/bisexuality. You should take that into consideration when you say that he should come out.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Kasz216 said:

It would seem like the very simple and logical answer.

Though maybe he does and wants to hold her in reserve as a backup.

There's always just the "I'm not looking for a relationship right now" answer.

Really though... any convoluted schemes past that are just going to make things worse then better... afterall it's just maintaining another lie on top of the already big one he's hiding.

Single lies are hard enough to keep, but when you let them build up... you're just asking for trouble.

Heck, the fact that you guys have concocted the belief that you need to come up with some elaborate lie to handle this problem is already a sign of the foundations breaking.

When the simple truth of "I'm not interested in you romatically" is simple enough and not going to raise the "OMG you're gay! accusations."

It's not like you even need a reason past "I've just never thought of you that way and don't think I can."  or even "I used to think of you like that, but I just don't anymore, I don't think it will come back."

I've used it to turn down women before.  I mean it's not like if your single you have to date the first women that says "Hey, I choose you!"

Well I must admit that I did kinda freak him out with my paranoya. As I said in my initial post he was planning on telling her that he's seeing someone, but that could obviously backfire. Sadly, maybe I did overexaggerate and have probably put ideas into his head that'll make things worse. I suppose the simple "I'm just not into you" could be the best approach.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

dtewi said:

How about this?

He comes out of the closet.

If he can't handle jeering or insults then that sucks for him.

His parents aren't going to stop helping him get through college because they figure out he's bi.

No offence, but do you know his parents? If the answer's "NO" then why are you so sure they'll still help him.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

It would seem like the very simple and logical answer.

Though maybe he does and wants to hold her in reserve as a backup.

There's always just the "I'm not looking for a relationship right now" answer.

Really though... any convoluted schemes past that are just going to make things worse then better... afterall it's just maintaining another lie on top of the already big one he's hiding.

Single lies are hard enough to keep, but when you let them build up... you're just asking for trouble.

Heck, the fact that you guys have concocted the belief that you need to come up with some elaborate lie to handle this problem is already a sign of the foundations breaking.

When the simple truth of "I'm not interested in you romatically" is simple enough and not going to raise the "OMG you're gay! accusations."

It's not like you even need a reason past "I've just never thought of you that way and don't think I can."  or even "I used to think of you like that, but I just don't anymore, I don't think it will come back."

I've used it to turn down women before.  I mean it's not like if your single you have to date the first women that says "Hey, I choose you!"

Well I must admit that I did kinda freak him out with my paranoya. As I said in my initial post he was planning on telling her that he's seeing someone, but that could obviously backfire. Sadly, maybe I did overexaggerate and have probably put ideas into his head that'll make things worse. I suppose the simple "I'm just not into you" could be the best approach.

Well they say the key to lieing is to keep it simple and as close to the truth as possible, that way it's easy to keep up the lie.

Besides, it's the least likely to cause problems... come up with any external reason, and once that reason is gone, you've got to come up with another etc.

She may try and ask him out a couple more times, but eventually will understand and leave it simply at that.  Enough people have found themselves in the "Friend" zone so it's not like it's foreign.



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sapphi_snake said:
dtewi said:

How about this?

He comes out of the closet.

If he can't handle jeering or insults then that sucks for him.

His parents aren't going to stop helping him get through college because they figure out he's bi.

No offence, but do you know his parents? If the answer's "NO" then why are you so sure they'll still help him.


Bisexuality is not as much of a social taboo as homosexuality.

And parents won't refuse to help him accomplish his dream because OMGZZ!!11 he's bi!



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

dtewi said:


Bisexuality is not as much of a social taboo as homosexuality.

And parents won't refuse to help him accomplish his dream because OMGZZ!!11 he's bi!

I've heard stories of parents kicking their gay/bi kids out on the streets. And bisexuality is a big social taboo over here (and when it comes to men it's pretty much a taboo everwhere from what I've read).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

gekkokamen said:
sapphi_snake said:

So I got this bi friend, let's call him Salvatore (gotta protect his identity). He's 19, not out and he has a boyfriend (his first one actually). Just this morning he got an e-mail from a girl (one of his ex-classmates from high school). Now they were friends during high school and he always felt that she had a crush on him.

In her e-mail she told him that she wants to meet and talk to him. He's worried that she may ask him to start dating. Now one can obviously see why this would be a problem. If that's the case he initally intended to tell her that he's already seeing a girl. I pointed out to him that she may ask him who said girl is. He said that he'd tell her that she doesn't know the girl who is his new "girlfriend". Of course I, in my infinite wisdom, pointed out the problem with this: they have common friends, and if she starts asking those friends about his new "girlfriend" everyone's gonna get suspicious about the fact that he's keeping his new "girlfriend" a secret from everybody.

Before he knows it Salvatore could find himself out of the closet and at the mercy of those nasty homophobes. Not to mention his parents will probably freak out. Salvatore says he's not ready to be out yet (he's gonna rely on his parents for financial support during the 6 years of uni as he studies medicine, and he also lives with them as he can't afford a place of his own).

So do you guys have any advice on how he can get rid of this girl without being forced out of the closet? I was thinking he could tell her that he finds her repulsive, or something along the lines. Or he could find some way to make himself repulsive so she'll back off.

Please give your imput (especially any gay/bi guys on this forum who might have went through something similar).

So Salvatore is dating you?

That would be a twist! I've certainly been getting the gay vibe from sapphi!

 

I think Salvatore should come out. The longer he keeps it a secret the harder it may be, because it will almost certainly have to happen one day.



 

 

Hrm... looking through the thread on the "what ifs" part makes this a trickier one, but I'll see how I can do with those:

Case 1- She's clingy. You know these type, and it's also the most likely. "I can wait as long as it takes." "You're the only one for me." These are definitely the hardest type to shrug off. If they start doing this, drop the politeness, and add sternness to the voice tone. Something akin to: "I've already told you no. Even if you could wait, which a huge majority of people actually can't, I can't guarantee I'll even be the same person after at least 7 years. And no, I'm not the only one for you. If there truly was only 1 soulmate for every person on this earth, then why do so many people find one and get married? The odds for that are just too astronomical, and getting further out there every day. It must mean that there are multiple people which with they can get along. The same is true of you. Don't waste your time. Go find another guy; it's not going to happen with me."

Case 2- She's controlling. Technically easy to get rid of, it can be hard to do if it's someone who's a long-time friend. (Then again, a long-term friend shouldn't try to be controlling...) "It's not going to hurt you." "It'll be over before you know it." Things like this. You should know yourself best. (And he, himself, of course.) The way to get rid of these people is by taking control, and being somewhat rude in the process. Something like: "Listen. I know me better than you do. If you feel the need to start this relationship by taking control of me, it already failed. I am me, I'll be damned if I let you take away who I am. Now, drop it. It won't happen." Odds are pretty good that the controlling type will try to interject with 'but's, to which the only correct reply is 'no,' to be said RIGHT after she says 'but.' If she ignores your no and keeps talking, let her talk for a bit, but do not respond to anything she says. When there is a pause, jump back in with "Are you done talking? Because I wasn't. If you're not even willing to listen to me, then get out of my face. There's no chance in hell I'd spend the rest of my life taking orders from you." *Note: Sometimes, you get people who alternate between 1 and 2; switching between them as needed is acceptable.*

Case 3- The crying one. Unless preceded with a slap, most people will see this as a breakup; she is crying to get attention and to make him feel bad. Some guys are a sap for this; his naietivity means that this is a definite concern. The best thing to do here is to console them, trying to get them to look on the other side of the coin, though that will instead get most of them to go to a case 1 or 2, where you should follow those directions. I'd probably spin it like: "Don't cry. Look at it this way: Even if I were to be your boyfriend, I'd not be able to dedicate any time to you for at least 7 years. This is the same as you not having a BF for those 7 years; you'd have nobody to interact with on it. Instead, look for another guy. You're a nice person, it'll take you less than 7 years to find someone else, and then it's less time you spend alone. This really is for your own good and happiness." (Yes, I know that last sentence sounds like case 2; for some reason, it's more effective on the crying types.)

Case 4- The friend test. This is the easiest to get away from. Because a variety of questions will come up here, I can't give a sample dialogue. The way to get away from this is by looking at the med school future and a lack of time. The earlier paragraphs, before the case events, should help in this case.

Case 5- Asked flat-out. This one's just awkward, and will almost definitely be triggered by one question: "Are you gay?" (Nobody ever asks "Are you bisexual?", though it is the other question that will trigger this.) In addition to what you say, body language is suddenly very important here. (In the other cases, since there is no genuine interest, the body will be normal. The most common thing he'll need to be careful of is tensing up; someone who can read bodies will see this and know immediately that he's at least not straight.) While not strictly true, the best reaction I can think of would be a sort of disgusted confused face, followed by "What makes you ask that?" (Again with body reactions, an inquisitive tone is fine, an interested tone is not.)

From here, the questions, and thus, answers, become myriad. A few common cases are- 1. "Well, you don't have a girlfriend, and you're not interested in me.", 2. "I've heard a few people say you might be...", 3. "You've been seen hanging around with guys lately...", or 4. "Well, are you?" And corresponding answers would be: 1. "I don't have the time for one. Because I don't want to say I'll be with you and then neglect them, how does that make me gay?", 2. "And now you believe this? Why do you believe everything you hear?", 3. "What, so I can't be with my friends?" 4 will depend on which of the questions is asked. If it's the common one, he could truthfully say something like "No I'm not, but you're not my type either." If it's the other question, it'll take a bit more of a creative answer to avoid coming out. I might use "I do like women, but not your type."

I can't really give you a good escape route plan until I know the location. If it's her parent's place, for instance, walking out is incredibly rude, whereas it's not even an option if it's at his place. Lemme know that as soon as you know, and I'll see if I can't come up with a couple of those.



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-On a quest for the truly perfect game; I don't think it exists...

im_sneaky said:
gekkokamen said:
sapphi_snake said:

So I got this bi friend, let's call him Salvatore (gotta protect his identity). He's 19, not out and he has a boyfriend (his first one actually). Just this morning he got an e-mail from a girl (one of his ex-classmates from high school). Now they were friends during high school and he always felt that she had a crush on him.

In her e-mail she told him that she wants to meet and talk to him. He's worried that she may ask him to start dating. Now one can obviously see why this would be a problem. If that's the case he initally intended to tell her that he's already seeing a girl. I pointed out to him that she may ask him who said girl is. He said that he'd tell her that she doesn't know the girl who is his new "girlfriend". Of course I, in my infinite wisdom, pointed out the problem with this: they have common friends, and if she starts asking those friends about his new "girlfriend" everyone's gonna get suspicious about the fact that he's keeping his new "girlfriend" a secret from everybody.

Before he knows it Salvatore could find himself out of the closet and at the mercy of those nasty homophobes. Not to mention his parents will probably freak out. Salvatore says he's not ready to be out yet (he's gonna rely on his parents for financial support during the 6 years of uni as he studies medicine, and he also lives with them as he can't afford a place of his own).

So do you guys have any advice on how he can get rid of this girl without being forced out of the closet? I was thinking he could tell her that he finds her repulsive, or something along the lines. Or he could find some way to make himself repulsive so she'll back off.

Please give your imput (especially any gay/bi guys on this forum who might have went through something similar).

So Salvatore is dating you?

That would be a twist! I've certainly been getting the gay vibe from sapphi!

 

I think Salvatore should come out. The longer he keeps it a secret the harder it may be, because it will almost certainly have to happen one day.

No, the twist is that I am dead. Ha, bet you weren't expecting that one!



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)