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lestatdark on 31 August 2010
GooseGaws said:
lestatdark said:

Well, I think the ultimate weapons were meant to be used with Mastered materia only, since it would give you an unfair advantage to have weapons that could deal close to the 9999 damage (if you met the conditions for it), without any kind of setback. Kinda how like the Double or Triple growth weapons/accesories have also very limited slots or no coupling slots.

That`s essentially my problem with the materia implementation; I don`t like the idea of a system of magic that is dependent on a character`s equipment.  It`s too arbitrary.  Why should you be penalized for wanting to use the best weapon for your character?  You earned that weapon, it shouldn`t be a burden to use it.

Well, there are a lot of penalizations regarding materia, which are not only limited to the ultimate weapons per se. Materias affected the stats % as well. I think this was to compensate for the fact that anyone was able to use them, without having defining "Jobs". This was meant to discourage heavy materia usage for heavy hitting characters, such as Barret, and loading magic heavy characters such as Aeris with as many materia as you could.

As for the ultimate weapons per se, I agree that the system around them seem a bit convoluted. But not because of the materia no growth limitations, but how it's heavily dependent on certain factors. I hardly ever used them, except for Morphing (I hardly ever used Caith Sith, so I saw no advantage for his ultimate weapon). Equipping Cloud with Ragnarok and Atk Boosting support materias could have him hit over 8000 easily, without any limitation.



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lestatdark on 31 August 2010
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
dtewi said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

don´t spoil the best game ever to this dude , this game history is the best ever man, some parts are so sad to and the hero and villain are the best


Cloud is decent and Sephiroth is mediocre.


you must be one of the people that like FF13 and think Vanille is the best character ever !!! am i correct ?

What terrible, terrible logic, and pretty much the wrong guy to say that about FF13  

Also I like FF13 and I think that Vanille is an awesome character. Also, I think that FFVII is way better than FFXIII but severely lacks when compared to FFVI and FFXII. Guess what, people have different tastes



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dtewi on 31 August 2010
thelifatree said:
dtewi said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
dtewi said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

don´t spoil the best game ever to this dude , this game history is the best ever man, some parts are so sad to and the hero and villain are the best


Cloud is decent and Sephiroth is mediocre.


you must be one of the people that like FF13 and think Vanille is the best character ever !!! am i correct ?

Vanille is a terrible character.

Yuna is the best protagonist in FF.

Kefka is the best antagonist in FF.


why dtewi. I thought you hated yuna :P


I do.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

thelifatree on 31 August 2010
dtewi said:
thelifatree said:
dtewi said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
dtewi said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

don´t spoil the best game ever to this dude , this game history is the best ever man, some parts are so sad to and the hero and villain are the best


Cloud is decent and Sephiroth is mediocre.


you must be one of the people that like FF13 and think Vanille is the best character ever !!! am i correct ?

Vanille is a terrible character.

Yuna is the best protagonist in FF.

Kefka is the best antagonist in FF.


why dtewi. I thought you hated yuna :P


I do.


ahaha



dtewi on 31 August 2010
lestatdark said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
dtewi said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

don´t spoil the best game ever to this dude , this game history is the best ever man, some parts are so sad to and the hero and villain are the best


Cloud is decent and Sephiroth is mediocre.


you must be one of the people that like FF13 and think Vanille is the best character ever !!! am i correct ?

What terrible, terrible logic, and pretty much the wrong guy to say that about FF13  

Also I like FF13 and I think that Vanille is an awesome character. Also, I think that FFVII is way better than FFXIII but severely lacks when compared to FFVII and FFXII. Guess what, people have different tastes

Bad syntax is bad.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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GooseGaws on 31 August 2010
lestatdark said:
GooseGaws said:
lestatdark said:

Well, I think the ultimate weapons were meant to be used with Mastered materia only, since it would give you an unfair advantage to have weapons that could deal close to the 9999 damage (if you met the conditions for it), without any kind of setback. Kinda how like the Double or Triple growth weapons/accesories have also very limited slots or no coupling slots.

That`s essentially my problem with the materia implementation; I don`t like the idea of a system of magic that is dependent on a character`s equipment.  It`s too arbitrary.  Why should you be penalized for wanting to use the best weapon for your character?  You earned that weapon, it shouldn`t be a burden to use it.

Well, there are a lot of penalizations regarding materia, which are not only limited to the ultimate weapons per se. Materias affected the stats % as well. I think this was to compensate for the fact that anyone was able to use them, without having defining "Jobs". This was meant to discourage heavy materia usage for heavy hitting characters, such as Barret, and loading magic heavy characters such as Aeris with as many materia as you could.

As for the ultimate weapons per se, I agree that the system around them seem a bit convoluted. But not because of the materia no growth limitations, but how it's heavily dependent on certain factors. I hardly ever used them, except for Morphing (I hardly ever used Caith Sith, so I saw no advantage for his ultimate weapon). Equipping Cloud with Ragnarok and Atk Boosting support materias could have him hit over 8000 easily, without any limitation.

I'm not talking only about the ultimate weapons; I mean the system as a whole.  As you say, materia has various effects on status, which I have no problem with.  What I do have a problem with is that your character's equipment set defines how that materia can be utilized.  It's something I just find irritating and needlessly overwrought.



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Tagged: GooseGaws - <--- Has better taste in games than you.
lestatdark on 31 August 2010
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
dtewi said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

don´t spoil the best game ever to this dude , this game history is the best ever man, some parts are so sad to and the hero and villain are the best


Cloud is decent and Sephiroth is mediocre.


you must be one of the people that like FF13 and think Vanille is the best character ever !!! am i correct ?

What terrible, terrible logic, and pretty much the wrong guy to say that about FF13  

Also I like FF13 and I think that Vanille is an awesome character. Also, I think that FFVII is way better than FFXIII but severely lacks when compared to FFVII and FFXII. Guess what, people have different tastes

Bad syntax is bad.

Ahhh, damn, corrected it now XD



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thelifatree on 31 August 2010

lestatdark... that made no sense... whatsoever... my matlab produced an error

edit you ninja'd me

however... that was the best quote ever... I'm thinking of putting it in my sig instead of my nice box



AbbathTheGrim on 31 August 2010

When you get to unlock that Golden Chocobo it will be the best FF you have ever played... until you play the tenth one, my personal favorite. :)



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

lestatdark on 31 August 2010
GooseGaws said:
lestatdark said:
GooseGaws said:
lestatdark said:

Well, I think the ultimate weapons were meant to be used with Mastered materia only, since it would give you an unfair advantage to have weapons that could deal close to the 9999 damage (if you met the conditions for it), without any kind of setback. Kinda how like the Double or Triple growth weapons/accesories have also very limited slots or no coupling slots.

That`s essentially my problem with the materia implementation; I don`t like the idea of a system of magic that is dependent on a character`s equipment.  It`s too arbitrary.  Why should you be penalized for wanting to use the best weapon for your character?  You earned that weapon, it shouldn`t be a burden to use it.

Well, there are a lot of penalizations regarding materia, which are not only limited to the ultimate weapons per se. Materias affected the stats % as well. I think this was to compensate for the fact that anyone was able to use them, without having defining "Jobs". This was meant to discourage heavy materia usage for heavy hitting characters, such as Barret, and loading magic heavy characters such as Aeris with as many materia as you could.

As for the ultimate weapons per se, I agree that the system around them seem a bit convoluted. But not because of the materia no growth limitations, but how it's heavily dependent on certain factors. I hardly ever used them, except for Morphing (I hardly ever used Caith Sith, so I saw no advantage for his ultimate weapon). Equipping Cloud with Ragnarok and Atk Boosting support materias could have him hit over 8000 easily, without any limitation.

I'm not talking only about the ultimate weapons; I mean the system as a whole.  As you say, materia has various effects on status, which I have no problem with.  What I do have a problem with is that your character's equipment set defines how that materia can be utilized.  It's something I just find irritating and needlessly overwrought.

You mean how each individual piece has it's own number of materia slots and may or may not have slot coupling to benefit from effects such as All?  This I agree in being somewhat irritating, since it limits you somewhat in the amount of equipment choices that you can have.
For example, in Nt. Corel, I would always struggle whether to continue using the Hardedge (32 att power, four slots, two linked, two non linked) or buying the Force Stealer (36 att power, double materia growth, 3 non linked slots), because of the less amount of materia that equipping the Force Stealer would imply. This  is just one example in many though.



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