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I expect the Wii to continue to under-perform this year making a Wii 1.5 or 2.0 more likely. I see no reason even with a rehashed Wii for the PS3 and 360 to feel the need to roll out another model. What I do expect is for them to continue to reinvent themselves. Could they both survive a further 5 years? Maybe but 2012 is to early for the HD twins but maybe 2015 is a tall order. Certainly 2015 and beyond is possible for them as superseded models.



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disolitude said:

This is no good. I already have a hard time playing any 360 games which have PC versions... the console is old, should be retired in 2012.

Same with PS3... By 2012 Sony should re-release PS3, put a full on Cell processor in to it, not the gimped one they have now... take out that abomination of a video card and replace it with something badass.

If they want to keep this gen going they need to enable multi GPU hardware scaling or something.

2 X Xbox 360 connected together = game in true 1080p resolution

1 360 = 720p

Forza 2 and Forza 3 already do 3 monitor scaling with 3 xbox 360s and push a resolution higher than 1080p like that, so it is possible.

That's the sort of thing that'll probably happen, none of 'em will push to the bleeding edge this time, but Nintendo will make the big leap, and Sony and Microsoft will make the smaller leaps onto firmer ground, and we'll see a three-man race in a ballpark.



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Squilliam said:
gekkokamen said:

You know, companies can wish for all they want....ultimately it is the consumer who decides the lifespan of any product. If general interest on today's consoles falls to the ground and software sales, especially from third parties start to decline more and more, companies like Microsoft and Sony will have NO CHOICE but to reactivate the market with something "new" to make the big $$$ for them and their partners, again.


This doesn't mean there won't be a new Xbox before that time, it means that the current Xbox 360 will be on the market by their intentions alongside the next Xbox. Based of consumer interest alone at this precise point, the Xbox 360 can justify another 3 years at least on the market with or without next generation consoles, especially if those consoles are more expensive.

 

I doubt MS will keep it alive until 2015, but I guess I'll have to see the kind of sales the 360 can make at $125 or so, within a new generation of consoles.



indodude said:

I won't have to worry about next-gen until 2015? FUCK NOO!

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End of 2012 prediction:

xbox 360 : 73-75 million  playstation 3 : 72-74 million  wii : 104-105 million 

Most hyped for :

Bioshock: infinte, The Last Of Us, Alan Wake's American Nightmare and Agent

i'm glad to hear that, and ppl complaining about the current graphics in ps3 and 360 i think they look wonderful i can play 5 more yrs with them



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RolStoppable said:
leatherhat said:
RolStoppable said:

Wii Sports isn't a shallow, crappy game. Wii Sports is the fun and challenging experience you speak of. Unfortunately, many game companies and gamers assume think that Wii Sports is a shallow, crappy game, so they make their own shallow, crappy games and hope to make as much money as Nintendo.

Wii Sports is a powerful game that offers a lot of challenge. You can play the game for weeks and still get better. Of course you are free to disagree if you managed to get all gold medals. If you got all platinum medals, even more power to you.

Are you talking about the training mode? Thats not exactly what I had in mind when I meant challenging experiences. If you want a good example of a casual, "downmarket", and good game you should get peggle or some other type of popcap game. 

Nintendo casual=braindead

popcap casual=simple yet fun

Games are either challenging in terms of motoric skills, challenging one's mind or a combination of both. Wii Sports being a sports game makes it fall in the first category and it's not just the training mode, the regular game modes also become continually more challenging to raise or keep the player score. Nintendo also had huge success with their brain games among other titles (and rightly so), so there's only one possible reason how you could come to your illogical conclusion.

You really don't like Nintendo. Am I right?


You're amazing! You would have to be to figure out that I hate nintendo despite owning all their consoles and buying a ton of their games. But since I'm not afraid to say that a lot of the games they've made this gen have sucked then I must hate nintendo. Thank you, this has been very therapeutic for me, now if you'll excuse me I need to go burn all my nintendo made things so that the therapy will be complete. 



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RolStoppable said:
leatherhat said:
RolStoppable said:

Games are either challenging in terms of motoric skills, challenging one's mind or a combination of both. Wii Sports being a sports game makes it fall in the first category and it's not just the training mode, the regular game modes also become continually more challenging to raise or keep the player score. Nintendo also had huge success with their brain games among other titles (and rightly so), so there's only one possible reason how you could come to your illogical conclusion.

You really don't like Nintendo. Am I right?

Your amazing! You would have to be to figure out that I hate nintendo despite owning all their consoles and buying a ton of their games. But since I'm not afraid to say that a lot of the games they've made this gen have sucked then I must hate nintendo. Thank you, this has been very therapeutic for me, now if you'll excuse me I need to go burn all my nintendo made things so that the therapy will be complete. 

Sarcasm won't help you out of the hole you dug yourself. You can't offer a reasonable explanation as to why Nintendo's games suck and why Popcap's are good while I could spend a couple of minutes to find a glorious thread that further proves that you don't like Nintendo.


Popcaps games offer a level of depth that wii sports and wiifit don't. Theres a certain element of strategy to engage people unlike the wii series which involves shaking a wiimote and...not much else. Popgames are casual, but they offer a glimpse into the gaming world that would get people interested in playing other games. Wiisports is shallow and when you're done you get interested in watching tv or whatever it was you did before. 

As for the thread? Go get it. If I was ashamed of it I wouldn't have posted it to begin with. 



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RolStoppable said:
leatherhat said:

Popcaps games offer a level of depth that wii sports and wiifit don't. Theres a certain element of strategy to engage people unlike the wii series which involves shaking a wiimote and...not much else. Popgames are casual, but they offer a glimpse into the gaming world that would get people interested in playing other games. Wiisports is shallow and when you're done you get interested in watching tv or whatever it was you did before. 

As for the thread? Go get it. If I was ashamed of it I wouldn't have posted it to begin with. 

That is based on what... anecdotal evidence? Then who is buying all those Wii games if people get disinterested so fast? You are looking at two options here: Either people get into gaming due to Wii Sports or the Wii has some very avid gamers who all bought hundreds of games.

Shaking the Wiimote in the Wii series games and not much else? Why do you say something that is so evidently wrong?

Wait...

Are you one of those hardcore gamers who lost to his grandma in Wii Sports? Is that it?

But that is all you do in wii sports, you shake the controller. Need to hit a ball? shake the controller. Need to bowl? shake the controller. Need to swing a club. Give it a nice shake. As for people getting into gaming via wii sports. Thats wrong. Compare the numbers after 5 years of this gen we have about 140 million consoles sold between the three. Not significantly more than last gen. Gaming isn't making any great expansions even with the wii, and what gains there are have come from the iphone/droid. 



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RolStoppable said:
leatherhat said:

But that is all you do in wii sports, you shake the controller. Need to hit a ball? shake the controller. Need to bowl? shake the controller. Need to swing a club. Give it a nice shake. As for people getting into gaming via wii sports. Thats wrong. Compare the numbers after 5 years of this gen we have about 140 million consoles sold between the three. Not significantly more than last gen. Gaming isn't making any great expansions even with the wii, and what gains there are have come from the iphone/droid. 

I highly doubt that you can achieve good results in Wii Sports by just shaking the controller. It's possible to be good with quick flicks of the wrist, but that would take skill and that would make you wrong again, wouldn't it?

An interesting console sales comparison. The PS2 hadn't hit 100m after five years, so with GC and Xbox added in we are looking at about 130m. But we run into the issue that the PS2, the marketleader, had the headstart last gen while this gen the 360, an also-ran, launched a year earlier. This favors the sixth gen a little bit.

Now we are looking at a picture where gamers dropped Sony and Microsoft compared to last generation, it's roughly 110m vs. 80m now. Either the PS3 and 360 bored people, made them quit gaming and Nintendo brought in a whole lot of new gamers or Nintendo just took a lot of Sony's and Microsoft's (actually just Sony's) former consumers away while growing the gaming population just a little bit. Personally I think it's a combination of both.

What about handhelds? Hey, if we remember the iPhone, we should talk about the DS and PSP too. How does the gen over gen comparison look there? About 70m vs. 160m? That looks like growth and it seems most of it is coming from Nintendo if we consider that software sales, because we are talking about the number of gamers and not people who listen to music or watch movies, right?

On the whole, handhelds have been doing great this gen while one could think that the home console space is in trouble, showing only a little bit of growth and that is coming solely from Nintendo, because Microsoft really just stole Sony's former consumers. Maybe the gaming industry is in trouble. While it's true that the Wii wasn't able to grow gaming significantly, it's also true that that is mostly because the PS3 and 360 made it rapidly decline. 

Flicks of the wrist require no skill

I don't think the 360 and ps3 made them decline at all, its the same group of people -with a few new ones added in- only now they bought a wii instead of a playstation. And the fact that the 360 and ps3 have smaller userbases mostly comes from the fact that the are very similar in the software department. If there was only one you can bet it would be doing as good as the wii or better. 



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Good I like the idea of longer gaming generations.