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sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

This book goes into details:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Changes-Your-Brain-Neuroscientist/dp/0345503414

God keeps coming up as a concept among humans for numerous reasons, which I touched on in my post.  This does not mean there is a God, just religion and the pondering of God follows the human experience.  Even people who won't do formal religion, or say they are religious will still get involved with God concepts.  It is also possible some people ave brains more receptive to the concept of God.

At the very least, the concept of God is a concept humans like to play around with.

Wow...and most humans also ponder about fairies and ghosts too. This seems like one of the most worthless book I've ever heard of. Seriously, who gives these people funds?

You may want to seriously look into developing even a minor bit of respect for things you disagree with.  Based on the amount I have read of what you wrote, it isn't going to be you lack of faith that will get you in trouble with your parents.  You will have problems with your parents, but not due to your lack of faith.  And that is about all I will say on that, because you apparently know everything and are fully qualified to tell people what is of value... particularly your parents.



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richardhutnik said:

You may want to seriously look into developing even a minor bit of respect for things you disagree with.  Based on the amount I have read of what you wrote, it isn't going to be you lack of faith that will get you in trouble with your parents.  You will have problems with your parents, but not due to your lack of faith.  And that is about all I will say on that, because you apparently know everything and are fully qualified to tell people what is of value... particularly your parents.

I don't know everything, and people are free to believe and value whatever they want no matter how stupid it may be. I don't tell them what they should beleive, but I won't pretend that what they do beleive in has any value to me if I don't consider it so... Hmm maybe  I do come off a little too strong I guess.

Your opnion is noted.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

lestatdark said:
lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:
lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:
lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

What exactly is this Wicca religion what do you guys do and believe in?  I have heard so many conflicting stories about what it actually means to be a Wiccan.

Wicca is a religion based on various pagan beliefs that existed on the Britain islands during pre-roman times. There are various paths to Wicca beliefs, like Gardenian Wicca, British Traditional Wicca, Dianic Tradition and many more.

Typically, almost all roots of Wicca believe in the duothestic faith, between the Triple Goddess (the maiden, the mother and the crone) which represents the feminine side of the faith or the more philosophical side , and the Horned God, representing the male side or the more humane/earth based side of the faith.

Although this is the primary belief system, there are also some atheistic beliefs within the Wicca branches. We follow a liberal moral code, known as the Wicca Rede, which has a few basic principles that every Wiccan must follow close to his/her earth. 
Some of the most important ones are "Do what you will as long as it harms no one"; "Whatever energy you give unto the world, be it positive or negative, will be returned to you thrice-fold" and some other more complex codes.

We also uphold some seasonly festivals, known to us as Sabbats (like Yule, which is celebrated at the winter solstice, December 21st, the winter celebration of the resurrection of the Horned God. This was originally a Pagan celebration in various regions, like germany and the old norse regions. This was also later adopted as the celebration of Christmas by the christians).

Also, what is commonly denominated as "Witchcraft" is also a term vaguely used by the majority of Wiccans. We uphold some traditional ritual practices that were commonly used in the pagan days, especially in Celtic communities. There are quite a number of misconceptions about these practices (like dancing naked in a wildfire on the middle of a forest - this misconception was formed due to a wrongfully representation of "Witches" in Charles Leland's Aradia: The Gospel of Witches) which are mostly untrue and degrading. 


Thanks for that all of that is stuff I hadn't heard of before.  I think I remember hearing somewhere that wiccans were in tune with nature and studied the elements or something like that.  I also remember watching some show where one wiccan had a lot of different colored candles and each one was representative of something different like one candle represented  friendship another love etc

Yes, the pentacle is the most common representation of the elemental belief system. Each point of the pentacle is directed to a single element, Fire, Earth, Wind, Water and Spirit.

The majority of Wiccans uphold earth as being the most important element, due to it being the representative of the Triple Goddess. This is because harvest rituals were of the utmost importance in the old pagan cultures, thus there are quite some significant number of Harvest-related sabbats as well, like Beltaine, Ostara, Lughnasadh, Mabor and Samhain (this is the most important Sabbat in Wicca faith, as it also coincides with All Hallows Eve).

As for the candles, they can be used for a specific function in the middle of a ritual, but most of the times, each individual colour represents a different element. The use of candles symbolizes the beginning and the closing of a ritual,  by either lighting or extinguishing the flame. 


Wow it seems like Wiccans have a lot to keep up with.  Thanks for the info and good luck.  I hope you are able to reconnect with your grandparents some day.

Edit)  Also I have been meaning to ask you who is that woman in your pic is she someone famous?

Thanks man, I hope so too

Well, she's a bit famous around Heavy Metal fans. She's the lead singer of the band Epica.

Oh no wonder I don't recognize her that's literally the genre of music I follow the least too many LOUD NOISES for my taste lol



richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

This book goes into details:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Changes-Your-Brain-Neuroscientist/dp/0345503414

God keeps coming up as a concept among humans for numerous reasons, which I touched on in my post.  This does not mean there is a God, just religion and the pondering of God follows the human experience.  Even people who won't do formal religion, or say they are religious will still get involved with God concepts.  It is also possible some people ave brains more receptive to the concept of God.

At the very least, the concept of God is a concept humans like to play around with.

Wow...and most humans also ponder about fairies and ghosts too. This seems like one of the most worthless book I've ever heard of. Seriously, who gives these people funds?

You may want to seriously look into developing even a minor bit of respect for things you disagree with.  Based on the amount I have read of what you wrote, it isn't going to be you lack of faith that will get you in trouble with your parents.  You will have problems with your parents, but not due to your lack of faith.  And that is about all I will say on that, because you apparently know everything and are fully qualified to tell people what is of value... particularly your parents.

I just took a look at the book and the synopsis isn't very convincing. It states believing in God reduces anxiety, stress, enhances sociol awareness....but there are many ways of doing all those things without believing in God. Furthermore there is NO mention of the disadvantages of believing in God of which as history will attest to there are numerous. I doubt very much it is a fair and balanced book rather I suspect it's either written by a fundamentalist or the funding of it paid for by religious institutions.



sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

You may want to seriously look into developing even a minor bit of respect for things you disagree with.  Based on the amount I have read of what you wrote, it isn't going to be you lack of faith that will get you in trouble with your parents.  You will have problems with your parents, but not due to your lack of faith.  And that is about all I will say on that, because you apparently know everything and are fully qualified to tell people what is of value... particularly your parents.

I don't know everything, and people are free to believe and value whatever they want no matter how stupid it may be. I don't tell them what they should beleive, but I won't pretend that what they do beleive in has any value to me if I don't consider it so... Hmm maybe  I do come off a little too strong I guess.

Your opnion is noted.

Particularly the situation you are in now, if you come off wrong, you will have problems more from how you come off than what you don't believe.   Prudence is a virtue.

By the way, you may want to look into "neurotheology" which the book I told you about is on.  It is the scientific study into why people believe there is a G od, and the impact of how different beliefs shape the brain.  If you, for example, were raised in a very fundamentalist family, it could impact how you think and see things.  Also (my observation) you could end up dropping God but still be fundamentalist in your approach towards things.



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Badassbab said:
richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

This book goes into details:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Changes-Your-Brain-Neuroscientist/dp/0345503414

God keeps coming up as a concept among humans for numerous reasons, which I touched on in my post.  This does not mean there is a God, just religion and the pondering of God follows the human experience.  Even people who won't do formal religion, or say they are religious will still get involved with God concepts.  It is also possible some people ave brains more receptive to the concept of God.

At the very least, the concept of God is a concept humans like to play around with.

Wow...and most humans also ponder about fairies and ghosts too. This seems like one of the most worthless book I've ever heard of. Seriously, who gives these people funds?

You may want to seriously look into developing even a minor bit of respect for things you disagree with.  Based on the amount I have read of what you wrote, it isn't going to be you lack of faith that will get you in trouble with your parents.  You will have problems with your parents, but not due to your lack of faith.  And that is about all I will say on that, because you apparently know everything and are fully qualified to tell people what is of value... particularly your parents.

I just took a look at the book and the synopsis isn't very convincing. It states believing in God reduces anxiety, stress, enhances sociol awareness....but there are many ways of doing all those things without believing in God. Furthermore there is NO mention of the disadvantages of believing in God of which as history will attest to there are numerous. I doubt very much it is a fair and balanced book rather I suspect it's either written by a fundamentalist or the funding of it paid for by religious institutions.

It would be prudent that you actually google the researchers, rather than do a snap judgement about them.  If you do this, maybe you will be more accurate in you assessment.  If you won't do this simple thing, that would take a few minutes, you have little interest in truth and more interest in defending your own biases.

For one thing, if you were familar at all with the book, you would see how brains get damaged by fundamentalism, and a fear driven belief system.  But, feel free to operate under your own presumptions, if they make you feel better.



richardhutnik said:

Particularly the situation you are in now, if you come off wrong, you will have problems more from how you come off than what you don't believe.   Prudence is a virtue.

By the way, you may want to look into "neurotheology" which the book I told you about is on.  It is the scientific study into why people believe there is a G od, and the impact of how different beliefs shape the brain.  If you, for example, were raised in a very fundamentalist family, it could impact how you think and see things.  Also (my observation) you could end up dropping God but still be fundamentalist in your approach towards things.

The problem with the book you mentioned is that it (from the chaper and synopsis I read online) doesn't in any way prove that people show why people beleive in deities (the fact that the authors use the word "God" so often shows their bias, another reason why I don't like this book), but only studies the effects of such beliefes on the brain (which is something interesting. Even in my Communication Theory classes I learned that any information one recieves has an effect on him/her. T

His book really only deals with how a belief in deities and the supernatural affects you brain. The book doesn't seem to present any evidentce that a belief in deities/the supernatural in any way something humans are hardwired to have. So that clame of yours is not supported by the book.

And yes, prudence is a virtue.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

richardhutnik said:

It would be prudent that you actually google the researchers, rather than do a snap judgement about them.  If you do this, maybe you will be more accurate in you assessment.  If you won't do this simple thing, that would take a few minutes, you have little interest in truth and more interest in defending your own biases.

For one thing, if you were familar at all with the book, you would see how brains get damaged by fundamentalism, and a fear driven belief system.  But, feel free to operate under your own presumptions, if they make you feel better.

Aren't most religions like this? I know for a fact that that's how Christianity is.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

Particularly the situation you are in now, if you come off wrong, you will have problems more from how you come off than what you don't believe.   Prudence is a virtue.

By the way, you may want to look into "neurotheology" which the book I told you about is on.  It is the scientific study into why people believe there is a G od, and the impact of how different beliefs shape the brain.  If you, for example, were raised in a very fundamentalist family, it could impact how you think and see things.  Also (my observation) you could end up dropping God but still be fundamentalist in your approach towards things.

The problem with the book you mentioned is that it (from the chaper and synopsis I read online) doesn't in any way prove that people show why people beleive in deities (the fact that the authors use the word "God" so often shows their bias, another reason why I don't like this book), but only studies the effects of such beliefes on the brain (which is something interesting. Even in my Communication Theory classes I learned that any information one recieves has an effect on him/her. T

his book really only deals with how a belief in deities and the supernatural affects you brain. The book doesn't seem to present any evidentce that a belief in deities/the supernatural in any way something humans are hardwired to have. So that clame of yours is not supported by the book.

And yes, prudence is a virtue.

Where is the "supernatural affects you (sic) brain" anywhere?  It is just an effect.  And the book is on the effects of how different beliefs shape the brain.  His research goes into this, even outside of the book. It is a follow up to the book: "Why God Won't Go Away" by the way: http://www.amazon.com/Why-God-Wont-Go-Away/dp/0345440331

which apparently goes into that question you mention.  I read the later book I mentioned, and not the earlier book, because I didn't read it.

This area goes into it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotheology

 

If you care, look into it further.  If you don't care, then take the easy way out and not bother to look into it further.  Since you apparently have your mind dogmatically made up, might as well stick into not looking into it further.