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lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

What exactly is this Wicca religion what do you guys do and believe in?  I have heard so many conflicting stories about what it actually means to be a Wiccan.



lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

What exactly is this Wicca religion what do you guys do and believe in?  I have heard so many conflicting stories about what it actually means to be a Wiccan.

Wicca is a religion based on various pagan beliefs that existed on the Britain islands during pre-roman times. There are various paths to Wicca beliefs, like Gardenian Wicca, British Traditional Wicca, Dianic Tradition and many more.

Typically, almost all roots of Wicca believe in the duothestic faith, between the Triple Goddess (the maiden, the mother and the crone) which represents the feminine side of the faith or the more philosophical side , and the Horned God, representing the male side or the more humane/earth based side of the faith.

Although this is the primary belief system, there are also some atheistic beliefs within the Wicca branches. We follow a liberal moral code, known as the Wicca Rede, which has a few basic principles that every Wiccan must follow close to his/her earth. 
Some of the most important ones are "Do what you will as long as it harms no one"; "Whatever energy you give unto the world, be it positive or negative, will be returned to you thrice-fold" and some other more complex codes.

We also uphold some seasonly festivals, known to us as Sabbats (like Yule, which is celebrated at the winter solstice, December 21st, the winter celebration of the resurrection of the Horned God. This was originally a Pagan celebration in various regions, like germany and the old norse regions. This was also later adopted as the celebration of Christmas by the christians).

Also, what is commonly denominated as "Witchcraft" is also a term vaguely used by the majority of Wiccans. We uphold some traditional ritual practices that were commonly used in the pagan days, especially in Celtic communities. There are quite a number of misconceptions about these practices (like dancing naked in a wildfire on the middle of a forest - this misconception was formed due to a wrongfully representation of "Witches" in Charles Leland's Aradia: The Gospel of Witches) which are mostly untrue and degrading. 



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lestatdark said:
lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

What exactly is this Wicca religion what do you guys do and believe in?  I have heard so many conflicting stories about what it actually means to be a Wiccan.

Wicca is a religion based on various pagan beliefs that existed on the Britain islands during pre-roman times. There are various paths to Wicca beliefs, like Gardenian Wicca, British Traditional Wicca, Dianic Tradition and many more.

Typically, almost all roots of Wicca believe in the duothestic faith, between the Triple Goddess (the maiden, the mother and the crone) which represents the feminine side of the faith or the more philosophical side , and the Horned God, representing the male side or the more humane/earth based side of the faith.

Although this is the primary belief system, there are also some atheistic beliefs within the Wicca branches. We follow a liberal moral code, known as the Wicca Rede, which has a few basic principles that every Wiccan must follow close to his/her earth. 
Some of the most important ones are "Do what you will as long as it harms no one"; "Whatever energy you give unto the world, be it positive or negative, will be returned to you thrice-fold" and some other more complex codes.

We also uphold some seasonly festivals, known to us as Sabbats (like Yule, which is celebrated at the winter solstice, December 21st, the winter celebration of the resurrection of the Horned God. This was originally a Pagan celebration in various regions, like germany and the old norse regions. This was also later adopted as the celebration of Christmas by the christians).

Also, what is commonly denominated as "Witchcraft" is also a term vaguely used by the majority of Wiccans. We uphold some traditional ritual practices that were commonly used in the pagan days, especially in Celtic communities. There are quite a number of misconceptions about these practices (like dancing naked in a wildfire on the middle of a forest - this misconception was formed due to a wrongfully representation of "Witches" in Charles Leland's Aradia: The Gospel of Witches) which are mostly untrue and degrading. 


Thanks for that all of that is stuff I hadn't heard of before.  I think I remember hearing somewhere that wiccans were in tune with nature and studied the elements or something like that.  I also remember watching some show where one wiccan had a lot of different colored candles and each one was representative of something different like one candle represented  friendship another love etc

Edit) I watch a show called the haunting sometimes on tv and it's about people who move in to houses that are haunted.  It's suppose to be based on true stories.  Most people on the show usually get priests to get rid of the evil spirit or demons that are haunting the house but sometimes when they can't get them they use wiccans.  I know on one episode a family actually got the help of wiccans to help get rid of the spirits.  They were all dressed in black and each one had a skill they were good at.  All of them could sense the evil spirit and could tell where it was the strongest.



lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:
lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

What exactly is this Wicca religion what do you guys do and believe in?  I have heard so many conflicting stories about what it actually means to be a Wiccan.

Wicca is a religion based on various pagan beliefs that existed on the Britain islands during pre-roman times. There are various paths to Wicca beliefs, like Gardenian Wicca, British Traditional Wicca, Dianic Tradition and many more.

Typically, almost all roots of Wicca believe in the duothestic faith, between the Triple Goddess (the maiden, the mother and the crone) which represents the feminine side of the faith or the more philosophical side , and the Horned God, representing the male side or the more humane/earth based side of the faith.

Although this is the primary belief system, there are also some atheistic beliefs within the Wicca branches. We follow a liberal moral code, known as the Wicca Rede, which has a few basic principles that every Wiccan must follow close to his/her earth. 
Some of the most important ones are "Do what you will as long as it harms no one"; "Whatever energy you give unto the world, be it positive or negative, will be returned to you thrice-fold" and some other more complex codes.

We also uphold some seasonly festivals, known to us as Sabbats (like Yule, which is celebrated at the winter solstice, December 21st, the winter celebration of the resurrection of the Horned God. This was originally a Pagan celebration in various regions, like germany and the old norse regions. This was also later adopted as the celebration of Christmas by the christians).

Also, what is commonly denominated as "Witchcraft" is also a term vaguely used by the majority of Wiccans. We uphold some traditional ritual practices that were commonly used in the pagan days, especially in Celtic communities. There are quite a number of misconceptions about these practices (like dancing naked in a wildfire on the middle of a forest - this misconception was formed due to a wrongfully representation of "Witches" in Charles Leland's Aradia: The Gospel of Witches) which are mostly untrue and degrading. 


Thanks for that all of that is stuff I hadn't heard of before.  I think I remember hearing somewhere that wiccans were in tune with nature and studied the elements or something like that.  I also remember watching some show where one wiccan had a lot of different colored candles and each one was representative of something different like one candle represented  friendship another love etc

Yes, the pentacle is the most common representation of the elemental belief system. Each point of the pentacle is directed to a single element, Fire, Earth, Wind, Water and Spirit.

The majority of Wiccans uphold earth as being the most important element, due to it being the representative of the Triple Goddess. This is because harvest rituals were of the utmost importance in the old pagan cultures, thus there are quite some significant number of Harvest-related sabbats as well, like Beltaine, Ostara, Lughnasadh, Mabor and Samhain (this is the most important Sabbat in Wicca faith, as it also coincides with All Hallows Eve).

As for the candles, they can be used for a specific function in the middle of a ritual, but most of the times, each individual colour represents a different element. The use of candles symbolizes the beginning and the closing of a ritual,  by either lighting or extinguishing the flame. 



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lestatdark said:
lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:
lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

What exactly is this Wicca religion what do you guys do and believe in?  I have heard so many conflicting stories about what it actually means to be a Wiccan.

Wicca is a religion based on various pagan beliefs that existed on the Britain islands during pre-roman times. There are various paths to Wicca beliefs, like Gardenian Wicca, British Traditional Wicca, Dianic Tradition and many more.

Typically, almost all roots of Wicca believe in the duothestic faith, between the Triple Goddess (the maiden, the mother and the crone) which represents the feminine side of the faith or the more philosophical side , and the Horned God, representing the male side or the more humane/earth based side of the faith.

Although this is the primary belief system, there are also some atheistic beliefs within the Wicca branches. We follow a liberal moral code, known as the Wicca Rede, which has a few basic principles that every Wiccan must follow close to his/her earth. 
Some of the most important ones are "Do what you will as long as it harms no one"; "Whatever energy you give unto the world, be it positive or negative, will be returned to you thrice-fold" and some other more complex codes.

We also uphold some seasonly festivals, known to us as Sabbats (like Yule, which is celebrated at the winter solstice, December 21st, the winter celebration of the resurrection of the Horned God. This was originally a Pagan celebration in various regions, like germany and the old norse regions. This was also later adopted as the celebration of Christmas by the christians).

Also, what is commonly denominated as "Witchcraft" is also a term vaguely used by the majority of Wiccans. We uphold some traditional ritual practices that were commonly used in the pagan days, especially in Celtic communities. There are quite a number of misconceptions about these practices (like dancing naked in a wildfire on the middle of a forest - this misconception was formed due to a wrongfully representation of "Witches" in Charles Leland's Aradia: The Gospel of Witches) which are mostly untrue and degrading. 


Thanks for that all of that is stuff I hadn't heard of before.  I think I remember hearing somewhere that wiccans were in tune with nature and studied the elements or something like that.  I also remember watching some show where one wiccan had a lot of different colored candles and each one was representative of something different like one candle represented  friendship another love etc

Yes, the pentacle is the most common representation of the elemental belief system. Each point of the pentacle is directed to a single element, Fire, Earth, Wind, Water and Spirit.

The majority of Wiccans uphold earth as being the most important element, due to it being the representative of the Triple Goddess. This is because harvest rituals were of the utmost importance in the old pagan cultures, thus there are quite some significant number of Harvest-related sabbats as well, like Beltaine, Ostara, Lughnasadh, Mabor and Samhain (this is the most important Sabbat in Wicca faith, as it also coincides with All Hallows Eve).

As for the candles, they can be used for a specific function in the middle of a ritual, but most of the times, each individual colour represents a different element. The use of candles symbolizes the beginning and the closing of a ritual,  by either lighting or extinguishing the flame. 


Wow it seems like Wiccans have a lot to keep up with.  Thanks for the info and good luck.  I hope you are able to reconnect with your grandparents some day.

Edit)  Also I have been meaning to ask you who is that woman in your pic is she someone famous?



makingmusic476 said:
dunno001 said:

Hrm... for some reason, my experience has shown me that being gay is more acceptable than being an atheist. Whenever I tell those idiots who push religious crap on you I'm a gay atheist, it's the atheist part they latch on to. And when I came out to my family, my mom reluctantly accepted that I was gay, but still won't see that I'm an atheist. If I were to guess, it has to do with how religion was more important in the older days, and older people, in search for the truth as their days are numbering down, fall into the trap known as religion.

I guess just don't make a big deal about it, but live what you think to be true. Whenever my family does something talking to "god", I'm quiet in respect to their beliefs, but damned if I'm going to be making specific actions.


It's probably because being gay isn't a choice, while being an atheist is.

I was an atheist since birth, wether I knew it or not. The people in our lives teach us that there is a god, but we are born without knowledge that there is one, and without that knowledge, how can one say that there is a god? I don't buy into the claim that atheism is a choice. It is a return to the fundamentals of our conciousness.

But of course this is the conclusion I draw. I believe my ideas are sound but I also acknowledge the fact that I may be wrong. However, this does not bother me too much in the end because no matter what you believe, we are all going to the same place. There is only one truth in this universe and none of us can escape it.



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sapphi_snake said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
sapphi_snake said:
routsounmanman said:

Admitting being gay is a much harder endeavor, believe me. Your entire life is turned upside down and even people you thought as friends and family turn hostile or avoid you.

I say come out and filter out of your life those that don't really love you, even your family. If they truly love you, they won't let issues like religion stand in the way. Screw the rest. Be who you want to be; we only get to live once.

Beleive it or not but most people dislike atheists more than they dislike gays (check opinion polls). I actually talked to a gay Christian and he didn't like me very much.

Gay christian? well there's the oxymoron of the day,lol (considering in christian beliefs homosexuality is immoral and unnatural) also you can blame a dislike for atheists on people like Bill Maher, who act like complete ignorant assholes and think there so much smarter than everyone because they don't belive in anything. 

Well he certainly was a self loathing individual, I must admit that. LOL @ the unnatural part.

There is a common misconception that just because atheists don't believe in a god, that they don't believe in anything at all. People also like to make it seem like not believing in something is some sort of black mark on a person's character, just so they can look down their noses upon them. For shame.

Maybe you're thinking of agnostics? I have never considered agnosticism as a "religion," per se, but more of a stepping stone on the way to finding what you truly believe. Agnostics are usually at a period in their life when they have lost their "faith" in whatever it is they were raised into but don't know where to go from there. I can't respect people who cite agnosticism as their belief system, as they are simply admitting to their contentment at not understanding their world.



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lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:
lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:
lostintheodyssey said:
lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

What exactly is this Wicca religion what do you guys do and believe in?  I have heard so many conflicting stories about what it actually means to be a Wiccan.

Wicca is a religion based on various pagan beliefs that existed on the Britain islands during pre-roman times. There are various paths to Wicca beliefs, like Gardenian Wicca, British Traditional Wicca, Dianic Tradition and many more.

Typically, almost all roots of Wicca believe in the duothestic faith, between the Triple Goddess (the maiden, the mother and the crone) which represents the feminine side of the faith or the more philosophical side , and the Horned God, representing the male side or the more humane/earth based side of the faith.

Although this is the primary belief system, there are also some atheistic beliefs within the Wicca branches. We follow a liberal moral code, known as the Wicca Rede, which has a few basic principles that every Wiccan must follow close to his/her earth. 
Some of the most important ones are "Do what you will as long as it harms no one"; "Whatever energy you give unto the world, be it positive or negative, will be returned to you thrice-fold" and some other more complex codes.

We also uphold some seasonly festivals, known to us as Sabbats (like Yule, which is celebrated at the winter solstice, December 21st, the winter celebration of the resurrection of the Horned God. This was originally a Pagan celebration in various regions, like germany and the old norse regions. This was also later adopted as the celebration of Christmas by the christians).

Also, what is commonly denominated as "Witchcraft" is also a term vaguely used by the majority of Wiccans. We uphold some traditional ritual practices that were commonly used in the pagan days, especially in Celtic communities. There are quite a number of misconceptions about these practices (like dancing naked in a wildfire on the middle of a forest - this misconception was formed due to a wrongfully representation of "Witches" in Charles Leland's Aradia: The Gospel of Witches) which are mostly untrue and degrading. 


Thanks for that all of that is stuff I hadn't heard of before.  I think I remember hearing somewhere that wiccans were in tune with nature and studied the elements or something like that.  I also remember watching some show where one wiccan had a lot of different colored candles and each one was representative of something different like one candle represented  friendship another love etc

Yes, the pentacle is the most common representation of the elemental belief system. Each point of the pentacle is directed to a single element, Fire, Earth, Wind, Water and Spirit.

The majority of Wiccans uphold earth as being the most important element, due to it being the representative of the Triple Goddess. This is because harvest rituals were of the utmost importance in the old pagan cultures, thus there are quite some significant number of Harvest-related sabbats as well, like Beltaine, Ostara, Lughnasadh, Mabor and Samhain (this is the most important Sabbat in Wicca faith, as it also coincides with All Hallows Eve).

As for the candles, they can be used for a specific function in the middle of a ritual, but most of the times, each individual colour represents a different element. The use of candles symbolizes the beginning and the closing of a ritual,  by either lighting or extinguishing the flame. 


Wow it seems like Wiccans have a lot to keep up with.  Thanks for the info and good luck.  I hope you are able to reconnect with your grandparents some day.

Edit)  Also I have been meaning to ask you who is that woman in your pic is she someone famous?

Thanks man, I hope so too

Well, she's a bit famous around Heavy Metal fans. She's the lead singer of the band Epica.



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kowhoho said:
makingmusic476 said:
dunno001 said:

Hrm... for some reason, my experience has shown me that being gay is more acceptable than being an atheist. Whenever I tell those idiots who push religious crap on you I'm a gay atheist, it's the atheist part they latch on to. And when I came out to my family, my mom reluctantly accepted that I was gay, but still won't see that I'm an atheist. If I were to guess, it has to do with how religion was more important in the older days, and older people, in search for the truth as their days are numbering down, fall into the trap known as religion.

I guess just don't make a big deal about it, but live what you think to be true. Whenever my family does something talking to "god", I'm quiet in respect to their beliefs, but damned if I'm going to be making specific actions.


It's probably because being gay isn't a choice, while being an atheist is.

I was an atheist since birth, wether I knew it or not. The people in our lives teach us that there is a god, but we are born without knowledge that there is one, and without that knowledge, how can one say that there is a god? I don't buy into the claim that atheism is a choice. It is a return to the fundamentals of our conciousness.

But of course this is the conclusion I draw. I believe my ideas are sound but I also acknowledge the fact that I may be wrong. However, this does not bother me too much in the end because no matter what you believe, we are all going to the same place. There is only one truth in this universe and none of us can escape it.

Scientific research shows the human mind is wired to think about God.  Beyond this, seeing the universe begs the question of how it came about, and things in it have an apparent order that drives people to ponder who may of created things in it.

As far as choice goes, it is argued if you can choose otherwise, then it is a choice, when if you initially didn't choose fom the start.