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kowhoho said:
Cypher1980 said:
kowhoho said:
Cypher1980 said:
kowhoho said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:
Vetteman94 said:

Its just another Blu-ray is doomed DD is probably going to take over despite Blu-ray outpacing DD.  Also if it was as well a researched as you claim they wouldnt have said the 20GB PS3 did not come with an HDMI output which is wrong.  All PS3s have come with them. 


Not true at all. This says nothing about blu-ray being doomed, it says it MASSIVELY UNDERPERFORMED, which I think we can all agree on.

Even last year kaz said blu-ray revenue would be 50%, but it still sits today at only around 15%, despite HUGE discounts on discs and players. You can get  a blu-ray player from walmart for 80 bucks!

Price isn't the issue, blu-ray just isn't that popular

I made your post stick out even more! Cuz you know, saying things loudly and with authority pretty much makes them the truth.

Hitler once said that if you tell a lie loud enough and long enough it eventually becomes true.

 DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE LIKE HITLER?!?!?!?!?!?!



Oh the Irony.....

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. ...truth is the mortal enemy of the lie."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Germany Propaganda Minister

Did you ever consider that I might have been intentionally ironic just to prove a point?

 

....or that maybe I was just throwing a lighthearted jab?

The world may never know (but you don't have to make it seem like you're shooting me off of some kind of high horse by insinuating that I'm a fool).

If you genuinely did provide an ironic misquote on purpose then my hats off to you. I should however point out that such deft touches go largely unappreciated on the internet as a rule.

However there was nothing in my post to insinuate that you were a fool.

Perhaps you could enlighten me.

The sole purpose of your post was to discredit my point. This is what made me think you were acting as an aggressor.

But I only say that to clear things up. I can tell that you're a calm and collected poster and I certainly don't want to either of us to get riled up or start having an aggressive back-and-forth. I'll be the first to admit that the things I read on the Internet can frustrate me and put me in the mood to start fights.

If there was anything that made you believe I was angry or frustrated with you, please know that those feelings are entirely non-existant. I meant my post only as a little fun.

The sole purpose of my post was to point out the delicious and unintentional irony of your post.

I genuinely did not mean to belittle you in anyway. The general thrust of your post was valid. Just inaccurate in terms of quotation. Which in turn made it wonderfully humourous.

No offence was taken by me regarding your reply.



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Nomad Blue said:
Cypher1980 said:

Do the DD figures include streaming ?

I only ask as streaming is insanely popular in Europe and DD is nearly non existant !


How popular is insanely popular? (I only ask because I don't know anyone that streams movies)

 

See two posts above !



Vetteman94 said:
Cypher1980 said:
Nomad Blue said:
Vetteman94 said:

No he doesnt since Blu-ray is out pacing DD.  I posted a link about it in the Blu-ray sales tracking thread in my sig

Yeh, I thought i'd read that in the blu-ray thread.  Figured i'd ask in case they've come across some new info(/or to call them out if they were making things up).

Do the DD figures include streaming ?

I only ask as streaming is insanely popular in Europe and DD is nearly non existant !

It does, but it only covers US

What the hecks the point of that. The US, as we have spoken about before, has a chronic Internet Infrastructure compared to Eurasia.

To limit the study to an area that will unfairly distort the figures seems a little shortsighted.

Or maybe its intentional to misrepresent the scale of the issue.



Cypher1980 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Cypher1980 said:
Nomad Blue said:
Vetteman94 said:

No he doesnt since Blu-ray is out pacing DD.  I posted a link about it in the Blu-ray sales tracking thread in my sig

Yeh, I thought i'd read that in the blu-ray thread.  Figured i'd ask in case they've come across some new info(/or to call them out if they were making things up).

Do the DD figures include streaming ?

I only ask as streaming is insanely popular in Europe and DD is nearly non existant !

It does, but it only covers US

What the hecks the point of that. The US, as we have spoken about before, has a chronic Internet Infrastructure compared to Eurasia.

To limit the study to an area that will unfairly distort the figures seems a little shortsighted.

Or maybe its intentional to misrepresent the scale of the issue.

Thats is very true, the US does have a horrible internet infrastructure. But, all of the numbers in the Blu-ray sales tracking thread are from US only.  So why would those same people then track DD for the rest of the world and then compare them with Blu-ray in the US?

I think you are being a little overdramatic about the tracking of the numbers. 



Vetteman94 said:
Cypher1980 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Cypher1980 said:
Nomad Blue said:
Vetteman94 said:

No he doesnt since Blu-ray is out pacing DD.  I posted a link about it in the Blu-ray sales tracking thread in my sig

Yeh, I thought i'd read that in the blu-ray thread.  Figured i'd ask in case they've come across some new info(/or to call them out if they were making things up).

Do the DD figures include streaming ?

I only ask as streaming is insanely popular in Europe and DD is nearly non existant !

It does, but it only covers US

What the hecks the point of that. The US, as we have spoken about before, has a chronic Internet Infrastructure compared to Eurasia.

To limit the study to an area that will unfairly distort the figures seems a little shortsighted.

Or maybe its intentional to misrepresent the scale of the issue.

Thats is very true, the US does have a horrible internet infrastructure. But, all of the numbers in the Blu-ray sales tracking thread are from US only.  So why would those same people then track DD for the rest of the world and then compare them with Blu-ray in the US?

I think you are being a little overdramatic about the tracking of the numbers. 


I think you misunderstand me ?

Given the BluRay figures are for the US only the study is valid. But only in terms of BluRay Vs DD in the states.

Most people will naturally want to expand the results to encompass the entire world. It would be seen as reasonable.

However given the known Infrastrucuture problems in the States and DD/Streamings reliance on said infrastructure the figures if extrapolated worldwide would be almost certainly unreliable.



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Cypher1980 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Cypher1980 said:

What the hecks the point of that. The US, as we have spoken about before, has a chronic Internet Infrastructure compared to Eurasia.

To limit the study to an area that will unfairly distort the figures seems a little shortsighted.

Or maybe its intentional to misrepresent the scale of the issue.

Thats is very true, the US does have a horrible internet infrastructure. But, all of the numbers in the Blu-ray sales tracking thread are from US only.  So why would those same people then track DD for the rest of the world and then compare them with Blu-ray in the US?

I think you are being a little overdramatic about the tracking of the numbers. 

I think you misunderstand me ?

Given the BluRay figures are for the US only the study is valid. But only in terms of BluRay Vs DD in the states.

Most people will naturally want to expand the results to encompass the entire world. It would be seen as reasonable.

However given the known Infrastrucuture problems in the States and DD/Streamings reliance on said infrastructure the figures if extrapolated worldwide would be almost certainly unreliable.

No I understand, I just cant pull number from where they dont exist.  But even despite the US current infrastructure problem, I would guess that the story is not all that different everywhere else. For one reason, DD movies do not have the same advantages the DD music has, portable movies arent a convienence, you cant just start watching a movie while doing something else.  But, Maybe I am wrong.  I have heard that Blu-ray has been doing well in other areas like Europe but no numbers to report.



Vetteman94 said:
Cypher1980 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Cypher1980 said:

What the hecks the point of that. The US, as we have spoken about before, has a chronic Internet Infrastructure compared to Eurasia.

To limit the study to an area that will unfairly distort the figures seems a little shortsighted.

Or maybe its intentional to misrepresent the scale of the issue.

Thats is very true, the US does have a horrible internet infrastructure. But, all of the numbers in the Blu-ray sales tracking thread are from US only.  So why would those same people then track DD for the rest of the world and then compare them with Blu-ray in the US?

I think you are being a little overdramatic about the tracking of the numbers. 

I think you misunderstand me ?

Given the BluRay figures are for the US only the study is valid. But only in terms of BluRay Vs DD in the states.

Most people will naturally want to expand the results to encompass the entire world. It would be seen as reasonable.

However given the known Infrastrucuture problems in the States and DD/Streamings reliance on said infrastructure the figures if extrapolated worldwide would be almost certainly unreliable.

No I understand, I just cant pull number from where they dont exist.  But even despite the US current infrastructure problem, I would guess that the story is not all that different everywhere else. For one reason, DD movies do not have the same advantages the DD music has, portable movies arent a convienence, you cant just start watching a movie while doing something else.  But, Maybe I am wrong.  I have heard that Blu-ray has been doing well in other areas like Europe but no numbers to report.

OK I dont expect you to produce speculative numbers. That would be wrong.

but as for "I would guess that the story is not all that different everywhere else"

I'm sorry that is just not addressing the issue. Streaming is a serious threat to Physical media in Europe. Not as a replacement but as a competitor.

This blind concentration on DD and its PROS and CONS seems somewhat pointless.

DD and Streaming services are two quite different things.

I to have no European numbers to report. That said here in the UK BluRay exists but its not really fully understood by most and is insanely expensive compared to DVD. Often twice the price.

I have a feeling that the BluRay charts as reported (ie USA only) do not paint the full picture and may be portraying the medium in an overly positive light when applied to a worldwide scale.



Cypher1980 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Cypher1980 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Cypher1980 said:

What the hecks the point of that. The US, as we have spoken about before, has a chronic Internet Infrastructure compared to Eurasia.

To limit the study to an area that will unfairly distort the figures seems a little shortsighted.

Or maybe its intentional to misrepresent the scale of the issue.

Thats is very true, the US does have a horrible internet infrastructure. But, all of the numbers in the Blu-ray sales tracking thread are from US only.  So why would those same people then track DD for the rest of the world and then compare them with Blu-ray in the US?

I think you are being a little overdramatic about the tracking of the numbers. 

I think you misunderstand me ?

Given the BluRay figures are for the US only the study is valid. But only in terms of BluRay Vs DD in the states.

Most people will naturally want to expand the results to encompass the entire world. It would be seen as reasonable.

However given the known Infrastrucuture problems in the States and DD/Streamings reliance on said infrastructure the figures if extrapolated worldwide would be almost certainly unreliable.

No I understand, I just cant pull number from where they dont exist.  But even despite the US current infrastructure problem, I would guess that the story is not all that different everywhere else. For one reason, DD movies do not have the same advantages the DD music has, portable movies arent a convienence, you cant just start watching a movie while doing something else.  But, Maybe I am wrong.  I have heard that Blu-ray has been doing well in other areas like Europe but no numbers to report.

OK I dont expect you to produce speculative numbers. That would be wrong.

but as for "I would guess that the story is not all that different everywhere else"

I'm sorry that is just not addressing the issue. Streaming is a serious threat to Physical media in Europe. Not as a replacement but as a competitor.

This blind concentration on DD and its PROS and CONS seems somewhat pointless.

DD and Streaming services are two quite different things.

I to have no European numbers to report. That said here in the UK BluRay exists but its not really fully understood by most and is insanely expensive compared to DVD. Often twice the price.

I have a feeling that the BluRay charts as reported (ie USA only) do not paint the full picture and may be portraying the medium in an overly positive light when applied to a worldwide scale.

That very well may be,   I will from now on keep an eye out for any articles that may have insight into Blu-rays and DDs progress and I will post them in the Blu-ray sales tracking thread.   Also if you find any please feel free to post them in that threas as well.   Themore info the better.   As you can tell if you have been reading the thread lately, even I have been complaining about Blu-rays lack of adoption recently,  it seems to have stalled.  



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WarmachineX said:
ultraslick said:

virtually nothing to do with gaming?

What a crock of shit, seriously. We all know the advantages a bluray disc has in gaming.


You must be referring to the higher development costs? or perhaps the added free time you have between loading screens? ;)

BR has no future in gaming, as MS nor Nintendo will never use it in a console.


Seriously?  This post makes absolutely no sense and you know why. 

 

I loved sitting by my 360 eject button to go back to previous worlds in Star Ocean 4.



"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."  --Hermann Goering, leading Nazi party member, at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials 

 

Conservatives:  Pushing for a small enough government to be a guest in your living room, or even better - your uterus.