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Alby_da_Wolf said:
dallas said:
Vetteman94 said:
dallas said:
Vetteman94 said:
dallas said:

It's not a quagmire......  3d movies will push greater blu-ray and Sony TV and Sony movie projector and 3d film camera sales.  The next XBOX will probably use blu-ray because by then, the hardware will be considerably more advanced, which means that either MS will have 3 discs for every game, or they will just use 1 blu-ray and give the XBOX customers the ability to watch blu-ray movies.  The choice for MS is clear, they will want blu.

And why wouldnt they,  they are already making money off of Blu-ray

MS is making $$$ off of blu-ray?

Its a small amount per Blu-ray disc,like fractions of pennies, but yes.  Microsoft developed one of the video codecs that are used for Blu-ray discs.  


oh, well just a codec then?  cool for MS i guess

Yep, while on HD-DVD MS owned that same codec, PLUS the whole most used implementation of HD-DVD's subsystem for interactive contents (it wasn't the only possible, but it was by far the most used). What's worst for MS is that besides not owning BD's interactive subsistem, BD uses a Java derivative for the task,  and MS really hates Java and its platform independence.

I won't buy a BD device until at least BD writers for PC are cheap, but I SO love how it makes ballmer-boyz rabid!   

Whats your idea of cheap?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136181&cm_re=bluray_burner-_-27-136-181-_-Product



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Vetteman94 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

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Yep, while on HD-DVD MS owned that same codec, PLUS the whole most used implementation of HD-DVD's subsystem for interactive contents (it wasn't the only possible, but it was by far the most used). What's worst for MS is that besides not owning BD's interactive subsistem, BD uses a Java derivative for the task,  and MS really hates Java and its platform independence.

I won't buy a BD device until at least BD writers for PC are cheap, but I SO love how it makes ballmer-boyz rabid!   

Whats your idea of cheap?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136181&cm_re=bluray_burner-_-27-136-181-_-Product

Oh I didn't know they were already priced so low, it's quite close to it, although in EU it will become cheap a little bit later, as usual (except in some countries with faster evolving and more competitive local markets).

I bought my first CD burner for ~96€ VAT included and my first DVD burner for around the same amount, so I guess that my next PC update could really include my first BD drive.

In my living room I still have a simple DVD - DiVX player, because with the switch to devices with digital terrestrial tuner included, DVD recorders with HDD prices stopped dropping and temporarily increased, instead (except the obsolete ones with analog tuner only, that will require an external tuner after 2012 here, with the switch to digital only).

Just checked, best price here is currently ~150€ including VAT. Considering that my last PC update is quite recent, by the time I do the next I should find a BD burner for 90€ or less, and faster than the current 10x too, good news indeed.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:

Yep, while on HD-DVD MS owned that same codec, PLUS the whole most used implementation of HD-DVD's subsystem for interactive contents (it wasn't the only possible, but it was by far the most used). What's worst for MS is that besides not owning BD's interactive subsistem, BD uses a Java derivative for the task,  and MS really hates Java and its platform independence.

I won't buy a BD device until at least BD writers for PC are cheap, but I SO love how it makes ballmer-boyz rabid!   

I just purchase one, 130$, not too bad.



Cypher1980 said:
kowhoho said:
Cypher1980 said:
kowhoho said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:
Vetteman94 said:

Its just another Blu-ray is doomed DD is probably going to take over despite Blu-ray outpacing DD.  Also if it was as well a researched as you claim they wouldnt have said the 20GB PS3 did not come with an HDMI output which is wrong.  All PS3s have come with them. 


Not true at all. This says nothing about blu-ray being doomed, it says it MASSIVELY UNDERPERFORMED, which I think we can all agree on.

Even last year kaz said blu-ray revenue would be 50%, but it still sits today at only around 15%, despite HUGE discounts on discs and players. You can get  a blu-ray player from walmart for 80 bucks!

Price isn't the issue, blu-ray just isn't that popular

I made your post stick out even more! Cuz you know, saying things loudly and with authority pretty much makes them the truth.

Hitler once said that if you tell a lie loud enough and long enough it eventually becomes true.

 DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE LIKE HITLER?!?!?!?!?!?!



Oh the Irony.....

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. ...truth is the mortal enemy of the lie."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Germany Propaganda Minister

Did you ever consider that I might have been intentionally ironic just to prove a point?

 

....or that maybe I was just throwing a lighthearted jab?

The world may never know (but you don't have to make it seem like you're shooting me off of some kind of high horse by insinuating that I'm a fool).

If you genuinely did provide an ironic misquote on purpose then my hats off to you. I should however point out that such deft touches go largely unappreciated on the internet as a rule.

However there was nothing in my post to insinuate that you were a fool.

Perhaps you could enlighten me.

The sole purpose of your post was to discredit my point. This is what made me think you were acting as an aggressor.

But I only say that to clear things up. I can tell that you're a calm and collected poster and I certainly don't want to either of us to get riled up or start having an aggressive back-and-forth. I'll be the first to admit that the things I read on the Internet can frustrate me and put me in the mood to start fights.

If there was anything that made you believe I was angry or frustrated with you, please know that those feelings are entirely non-existant. I meant my post only as a little fun.



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Squilliam said:

The problem for Blu Ray is that people as a whole aren't willing to pay a premium for them. Its not that people wouldn't want the best format possible, they just aren't as of yet willing to pay that much more for it. I noticed at my local video rental place that the Blu Ray section has hardly expanded in over a year. I hardly rent videos anymore but it was quite surprising. So whilst Blu Ray is going to be worth a lot of money to the participating companies, it is probably not going to be worth nearly as much as was originally anticipated. 

It's always a cost/benefit ratio for general consumers, who are essentially the consumers BD has to target and appeal to in order to see continued growth past enthusiast and upmarket niches.

For BD, I'm inclined to agree that in many cases, the additional premium isn't worth it. I mean, does everyone really need to see crappy, view once and forget about it movies in 1080p? As opposed to say classic films, blockbusters, cult films, or any film that a buyer is likely to watch many times over the years. Probably not. They probably shouldn't be paying extra for them anyway. And most probably won't unless BD eventually replaces DVD as the cheap method of media distribution on physical media.

But in general, if a movie is a keeper or a favorite, an extra $5 or so really isn't a big deal considering the difference in image quality. The only problem is that how many movies actually fall into that category for the average consumer?

Rentals (brick and mortar) in general are probably not the best indicator to measure BD growth though. They are just about obsolete as business models with services like RedBox positioned to pick up what's left of the on site rental market. They support BD rentals, just like Netflix, but selection will always reflect their market, so naturally even 50% of their media isn't going to be on BD.



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KylieDog said:

I find it hard to trust tech talk from people who call DVDs Digital Video Discs.


Why? thats exactly what DVD stands for.



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Wiintendo said:
Icyedge said:
Wiintendo said:

 

Back in April, Sony President Ryoji Chubachi projected that its Blu-ray Disc format would garner 50 percent of DVD market share by the end of 2008.

 

current market share, Blu Ray to DVD. 

 Blue Ray is the smaller part of graph being eaten by PacMan


Your posting info from first quarter 2009, the industry is growing so fast that its already very old numbers. first quarter of 2010 market share is at 16%.

http://hd.engadget.com/2010/04/05/1st-quarter-blu-ray-sales-up-68-percent-over-last-year/

Blu-ray Market Share and Revenue Down for Week Ending August 15th http://www.blu-raystats.com/NewsLog/topics/news/market-share/

While the Blu-ray market share was still in double figures, it was down to 11% for the week ending August 15th, according to Home Media Magazine.


You do know that HMM's data is only for the USA right? Blu-ray is much more popular in Europeon and Asian countries.



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greenmedic88 said:
Squilliam said:

The problem for Blu Ray is that people as a whole aren't willing to pay a premium for them. Its not that people wouldn't want the best format possible, they just aren't as of yet willing to pay that much more for it. I noticed at my local video rental place that the Blu Ray section has hardly expanded in over a year. I hardly rent videos anymore but it was quite surprising. So whilst Blu Ray is going to be worth a lot of money to the participating companies, it is probably not going to be worth nearly as much as was originally anticipated. 

It's always a cost/benefit ratio for general consumers, who are essentially the consumers BD has to target and appeal to in order to see continued growth past enthusiast and upmarket niches.

For BD, I'm inclined to agree that in many cases, the additional premium isn't worth it. I mean, does everyone really need to see crappy, view once and forget about it movies in 1080p? As opposed to say classic films, blockbusters, cult films, or any film that a buyer is likely to watch many times over the years. Probably not. They probably shouldn't be paying extra for them anyway. And most probably won't unless BD eventually replaces DVD as the cheap method of media distribution on physical media.

But in general, if a movie is a keeper or a favorite, an extra $5 or so really isn't a big deal considering the difference in image quality. The only problem is that how many movies actually fall into that category for the average consumer?

Rentals (brick and mortar) in general are probably not the best indicator to measure BD growth though. They are just about obsolete as business models with services like RedBox positioned to pick up what's left of the on site rental market. They support BD rentals, just like Netflix, but selection will always reflect their market, so naturally even 50% of their media isn't going to be on BD.

Its not a question of when or if the market will adopt Blu Ray. The real question is at what price? The price has already been eroded because of the general consumer unwillingness to pay a premium as a whole. Thats the important question as it determines how much money the format will make over its life-cycle. Unquestionably Blu Ray will be around for many years, the TV industry does not quickly move to new standards and there really isn't anything primed to replace the physical optical media format in the near future.



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ssj12 said:
KylieDog said:

I find it hard to trust tech talk from people who call DVDs Digital Video Discs.


Why? thats exactly what DVD stands for.


No it isn't.  It's Digital Versatile Disc.



If your based in the UK you have access to a great many streaming outlets.

Perhaps the most pervasive thus far is the BBC's IPlayer.

This has been aped by most other media providers such as Channel 5, ITV Net Player and 4OnDemand

Some providers such as BT and Virgin Media provide further streaming options with Music Videos, Hit Movies and TV Box sets all availalable at the press of a button. This is in addition to the TV Replay streaming services mentioned above.

A few years ago none of this existed but it has literally exploded. So much so that SKY Tv is soon to provide its own streaming On Demand service to compete.

I dont know that this model will work stateside given the poor Internet Infrastructure over there.