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Vetteman94 on 25 August 2010
Cypher1980 said:

I just checked on Dells website in the UK and the defacto Optical Drive is still DVD.

WTF Dell is meant to be a BluRay supporter !

Apple is too and they refuse too put them in their laptops and desktops.



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famousringo on 25 August 2010
Vetteman94 said:
Cypher1980 said:

I just checked on Dells website in the UK and the defacto Optical Drive is still DVD.

WTF Dell is meant to be a BluRay supporter !

Apple is too and they refuse too put them in their laptops and desktops.


The truth is that the only defining advantage of optical media is that it's read-only. It's an attribute that only matters to content creators, and even they are slowly accepting that they can't have total control over what people do with their IP. Everybody else can find other media which are faster, cheaper, and more portable.

PCs are amongst the most-networked devices with the best access to alternative storage media (HDDs, SD cards, USB flash drives). They have almost no need for an optical drive at all, so it makes sense that they're slow to adopt new optical tech.



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gekkokamen on 25 August 2010
Cypher1980 said:
thelifatree said:
mitlar37 said:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/  11% marketshare (total revenue - not just "top 20") after 4 years on the market. And I have yet to see a pc game on Blu-Ray.

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If I recall the adoption rate to dvd on PC was slow at first as well. I don't know how they compare... but even the KOTOR's on PC were all on CD's I don't really the format really taking off until the start this console gen or maybe a lil before.

how long was it until dvd's were the norm on pc? if I recall metal gear solid 2 was one of the first games (and badly ported) on the PC.

Also, the manufacturing costs... most games don't take up that much space. Say Mass Effect 2 it has 2 dvd's. Would it be cheaper for them to manufacture it on 2 dvd's or 1 blu ray?

Plus I'd add, that Digital Distribution is more appropriate for games on PC. as games do not take up the 30gb-50gb, the High Def video and audio does for Blu Ray movies.

 

From memory the DVD's started to become the norm around 2003. Prior to this a lot of games came out on CD for two reasons.

100 percent compatibility

The games fitted quite comfortably on a CD or two. A DVD was overkill.

Perhaps more telling is that in 1998 most new PC's came with a DVD ROM.

Now even today most new PC's dont come with a Blu Ray drive. Thats a BIG difference in adoption.

In 1998 most new PCs came with a DVD ROM? dude, I don't have to think hard to tell you that was optional as anything. In 1998, not even 2 years after DVD format was on the streets not many computers would feature a still more expensive (and not very required) drive instead of a CD/CDR burner combo. Same thing today, the DVD-burner combo is standard but there's also the optional Blu-ray/dvd burner combo and of course there are more premium packages where the BD/DVD combo is standard. I really don't see a difference between DVD and BD adoption rate, it's only natural it will happen overtime and I don't see what's the big fuss about it, it always happens lol



dallas on 25 August 2010
Vetteman94 said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:
Vetteman94 said:

Its just another Blu-ray is doomed DD is probably going to take over despite Blu-ray outpacing DD.  Also if it was as well a researched as you claim they wouldnt have said the 20GB PS3 did not come with an HDMI output which is wrong.  All PS3s have come with them. 


Not true at all. This says nothing about blu-ray being doomed, it says it MASSIVELY UNDERPERFORMED, which I think we can all agree on.

Even last year kaz said blu-ray revenue would be 50%, but it still sits today at only around 15%, despite HUGE discounts on discs and players. You can get  a blu-ray player from walmart for 80 bucks!

Price isn't the issue, blu-ray just isn't that popular

No price is still the issue,  New Blu-rays are regularly around $25,  while new DVDs are around $15.  After that the price skyrockets for Blu-ray up to $35 for most movies,  while DVDs staying at about $20.   People wont buy a player as long as their is a price difference like that.   Price is the reason it just not that popular.

If royalties were not an issue, then the manufacture and distribution of Blu-ray would be just as expensive as a dvd......but Sony wants to recover the R&D costs that went into this, and they're going to get this back before they start lowering price significantly.  It's the same thing with the players, the owners of the player technology (panny, samsung and all the rest) will get their due before the price will go down.  Have patience.



Nomad Blue on 25 August 2010
Gamerace said:

Interesting read.   Not really saying anything that we don't already know.   Certainly Blu-ray adoption is slower than Sony and co would have liked and already being replaced by digital distribution.

I can't forsee Blu-ray ever having the market the way DVD (and VHS prior to that) did.    It's just too little (improvement), too late (physical formats on way out).  But then I was saying that in '06

 

Have you got anything to back this up?



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Vetteman94 on 25 August 2010
dallas said:
Vetteman94 said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:
Vetteman94 said:

Its just another Blu-ray is doomed DD is probably going to take over despite Blu-ray outpacing DD.  Also if it was as well a researched as you claim they wouldnt have said the 20GB PS3 did not come with an HDMI output which is wrong.  All PS3s have come with them. 


Not true at all. This says nothing about blu-ray being doomed, it says it MASSIVELY UNDERPERFORMED, which I think we can all agree on.

Even last year kaz said blu-ray revenue would be 50%, but it still sits today at only around 15%, despite HUGE discounts on discs and players. You can get  a blu-ray player from walmart for 80 bucks!

Price isn't the issue, blu-ray just isn't that popular

No price is still the issue,  New Blu-rays are regularly around $25,  while new DVDs are around $15.  After that the price skyrockets for Blu-ray up to $35 for most movies,  while DVDs staying at about $20.   People wont buy a player as long as their is a price difference like that.   Price is the reason it just not that popular.

If royalties were not an issue, then the manufacture and distribution of Blu-ray would be just as expensive as a dvd......but Sony wants to recover the R&D costs that went into this, and they're going to get this back before they start lowering price significantly.  It's the same thing with the players, the owners of the player technology (panny, samsung and all the rest) will get their due before the price will go down.  Have patience.

Oh I know that



Vetteman94 on 25 August 2010
Nomad Blue said:
Gamerace said:

Interesting read.   Not really saying anything that we don't already know.   Certainly Blu-ray adoption is slower than Sony and co would have liked and already being replaced by digital distribution.

I can't forsee Blu-ray ever having the market the way DVD (and VHS prior to that) did.    It's just too little (improvement), too late (physical formats on way out).  But then I was saying that in '06

 

Have you got anything to back this up?

No he doesnt since Blu-ray is out pacing DD.  I posted a link about it in the Blu-ray sales tracking thread in my sig



haxxiy on 25 August 2010

I enjoy a lot using my PS3 as a blu-ray player and definitely was an attractive back when I bought it. There's no even comparison between a DVD movie and a Blu-ray movie. I just love it.



 

 

 

 

 

dallas on 25 August 2010

It's not a quagmire......  3d movies will push greater blu-ray and Sony TV and Sony movie projector and 3d film camera sales.  The next XBOX will probably use blu-ray because by then, the hardware will be considerably more advanced, which means that either MS will have 3 discs for every game, or they will just use 1 blu-ray and give the XBOX customers the ability to watch blu-ray movies.  The choice for MS is clear, they will want blu.



Vetteman94 on 25 August 2010
dallas said:

It's not a quagmire......  3d movies will push greater blu-ray and Sony TV and Sony movie projector and 3d film camera sales.  The next XBOX will probably use blu-ray because by then, the hardware will be considerably more advanced, which means that either MS will have 3 discs for every game, or they will just use 1 blu-ray and give the XBOX customers the ability to watch blu-ray movies.  The choice for MS is clear, they will want blu.

And why wouldnt they,  they are already making money off of Blu-ray