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thelifatree on 25 August 2010
mitlar37 said:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/  11% marketshare (total revenue - not just "top 20") after 4 years on the market. And I have yet to see a pc game on Blu-Ray.

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If I recall the adoption rate to dvd on PC was slow at first as well. I don't know how they compare... but even the KOTOR's on PC were all on CD's I don't really the format really taking off until the start this console gen or maybe a lil before.

how long was it until dvd's were the norm on pc? if I recall metal gear solid 2 was one of the first games (and badly ported) on the PC.

Also, the manufacturing costs... most games don't take up that much space. Say Mass Effect 2 it has 2 dvd's. Would it be cheaper for them to manufacture it on 2 dvd's or 1 blu ray?

Plus I'd add, that Digital Distribution is more appropriate for games on PC. as games do not take up the 30gb-50gb, the High Def video and audio does for Blu Ray movies.

 



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Killiana1a on 25 August 2010
thelifatree said:
mitlar37 said:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/  11% marketshare (total revenue - not just "top 20") after 4 years on the market. And I have yet to see a pc game on Blu-Ray.

If I recall the adoption rate to dvd was slow at first as well. I don't know how they compare... but even the KOTOR's on PC were all on CD's I don't really remember them until the start this console gen or maybe a lil before being heavily used

how long was until dvd's were the norm on pc? if I recall metal gear solid 2 was one of the first games (and badly ported) on the PC to require DVD.

Also, the manufacturing costs... most games don't take up that much. Say Mass Effect 2. Has 2 dvd's would it be cheaper for them to manufacture it on 2 dvd's or 1 blu ray.

Plus I'd add, that Digital Distribution is more appropriate for games on PC. as games do not take up the 30gb-50gb, the High Def video and audio does for Blu Ray movies.

 

I agree, the gaming industry is slower on the uptake than the home movie industry. I did not notice games going from CD to DVD until around 2007, much longer after everyone was watching DVD movies 4 to 8 years earlier. Personally, my family got big into DVD movies around 2000.

If you are looking at a barometer look at the movie conversion rates.



HexenLord on 25 August 2010
WarmachineX said:
ultraslick said:

virtually nothing to do with gaming?

What a crock of shit, seriously. We all know the advantages a bluray disc has in gaming.


You must be referring to the higher development costs? or perhaps the added free time you have between loading screens? ;)

BR has no future in gaming, as MS nor Nintendo will never use it in a console.

Foolish. The same was said about DVD.

 

History shows that people have a hard time adapting and accepting new changes that relate to lifestyle and money spent. VHS didn't catch on very quickly, neither did DVD. They may have caught on a bit quicker than Blu-ray, but because they were still Standard Definition format which was the 'norm'. High Definition is a huge technological advancement that some people don't currently see the 'need' for. When SD slowly begins to fade out in the next 3-5 years throughout everything (even cable TV), people will have no choice but to explore the capabilities of HD formats such as Blu-ray. 

 

Either way, next gen is going to bring some huge changes in consoles. Microsoft will NOT be using DVDs next gen (this I can promise), although Nintendo probably won't take a giant leap forward out of DVD-ish type storage capacities (as they didn't really take a huge leap forward after GameCube).

 

Just because other consoles don't want to adopt a disk format doesn't mean its doomed to fail. After-all, the format isn't used for ONLY gaming. If it was, sure... it would be doomed. But when its also has a firm hold in the Movie and (shocker) Porn industry.... its here to stay.



Ping_ii on 25 August 2010
HexenLord said:
WarmachineX said:
ultraslick said:

virtually nothing to do with gaming?

What a crock of shit, seriously. We all know the advantages a bluray disc has in gaming.


You must be referring to the higher development costs? or perhaps the added free time you have between loading screens? ;)

BR has no future in gaming, as MS nor Nintendo will never use it in a console.

Foolish. The same was said about DVD.

 

History shows that people have a hard time adapting and accepting new changes that relate to lifestyle and money spent. VHS didn't catch on very quickly, neither did DVD. They may have caught on a bit quicker than Blu-ray, but because they were still Standard Definition format which was the 'norm'. High Definition is a huge technological advancement that some people don't currently see the 'need' for. When SD slowly begins to fade out in the next 3-5 years throughout everything (even cable TV), people will have no choice but to explore the capabilities of HD formats such as Blu-ray. 

 

Either way, next gen is going to bring some huge changes in consoles. Microsoft will NOT be using DVDs next gen (this I can promise), although Nintendo probably won't take a giant leap forward out of DVD-ish type storage capacities (as they didn't really take a huge leap forward after GameCube).

 

Just because other consoles don't want to adopt a disk format doesn't mean its doomed to fail. After-all, the format isn't used for ONLY gaming. If it was, sure... it would be doomed. But when its also has a firm hold in the Movie and (shocker) Porn industry.... its here to stay.

LOL he's probly still mad that Blu-ray burried his precious MS's HD-DVD in no time.

And your right DVD and VHS didn't took off quickly, they both took their sweet time till they eventually became the standard but ppl never learn and keep repeating the same FUD over and over again.

Anyways I quoted this post for the laughs when next box uses blu-ray, I bet you he will suddenly be a huge blu ray fan once it happens. XD



Cypher1980 on 25 August 2010
kowhoho said:
Cypher1980 said:
kowhoho said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:
Vetteman94 said:

Its just another Blu-ray is doomed DD is probably going to take over despite Blu-ray outpacing DD.  Also if it was as well a researched as you claim they wouldnt have said the 20GB PS3 did not come with an HDMI output which is wrong.  All PS3s have come with them. 


Not true at all. This says nothing about blu-ray being doomed, it says it MASSIVELY UNDERPERFORMED, which I think we can all agree on.

Even last year kaz said blu-ray revenue would be 50%, but it still sits today at only around 15%, despite HUGE discounts on discs and players. You can get  a blu-ray player from walmart for 80 bucks!

Price isn't the issue, blu-ray just isn't that popular

I made your post stick out even more! Cuz you know, saying things loudly and with authority pretty much makes them the truth.

Hitler once said that if you tell a lie loud enough and long enough it eventually becomes true.

 DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE LIKE HITLER?!?!?!?!?!?!

Oh the Irony.....

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. ...truth is the mortal enemy of the lie."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Germany Propaganda Minister

Did you ever consider that I might have been intentionally ironic just to prove a point?

 

....or that maybe I was just throwing a lighthearted jab?

The world may never know (but you don't have to make it seem like you're shooting me off of some kind of high horse by insinuating that I'm a fool).

If you genuinely did provide an ironic misquote on purpose then my hats off to you. I should however point out that such deft touches go largely unappreciated on the internet as a rule.

However there was nothing in my post to insinuate that you were a fool.

Perhaps you could enlighten me.



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Cypher1980 on 25 August 2010
thelifatree said:
mitlar37 said:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/  11% marketshare (total revenue - not just "top 20") after 4 years on the market. And I have yet to see a pc game on Blu-Ray.

Edit
If I recall the adoption rate to dvd on PC was slow at first as well. I don't know how they compare... but even the KOTOR's on PC were all on CD's I don't really the format really taking off until the start this console gen or maybe a lil before.

how long was it until dvd's were the norm on pc? if I recall metal gear solid 2 was one of the first games (and badly ported) on the PC.

Also, the manufacturing costs... most games don't take up that much space. Say Mass Effect 2 it has 2 dvd's. Would it be cheaper for them to manufacture it on 2 dvd's or 1 blu ray?

Plus I'd add, that Digital Distribution is more appropriate for games on PC. as games do not take up the 30gb-50gb, the High Def video and audio does for Blu Ray movies.

 

From memory the DVD's started to become the norm around 2003. Prior to this a lot of games came out on CD for two reasons.

100 percent compatibility

The games fitted quite comfortably on a CD or two. A DVD was overkill.

Perhaps more telling is that in 1998 most new PC's came with a DVD ROM.

Now even today most new PC's dont come with a Blu Ray drive. Thats a BIG difference in adoption.



serav on 25 August 2010
Killiana1a said:
serav said:
Killiana1a said:

Does anyone remember when DVDs started taking over the home movie format from videocassettes? Wikipedia is reporting that DVDs were first created in 1995. I first started noticing mass produced DVDs from 1999 on.

Blu ray was created in 2006, it is 2010 and a poster before me noted that,

"http://www.homemediamagazine.com/  11% marketshare (total revenue - not just "top 20") after 4 years on the market. And I have yet to see a pc game on Blu-Ray."

-mitlar37

Have we reached the mass crossover appeal from the higher end home video market to the mass home video market for blu ray? If not, then why not? If so, then why does my brand new 2010 gaming laptop come with a DVD-RW player?

It has been 4 years. I would be stunned if the cost of production for blu ray movies is not equal nor less than DVDs at this point.

blu ray was created on 2003-4 on japan mass produced on 2007.

DVD was popular until some years later like 2003

Where I am at in the heart of California, well over 90% of my friends , family and co-workers still use DVDs over Blu Ray in mid- to late-2010. I can name 1 out of 10 friends who has gone Blu Ray exclusive, the rest are sticking to DVDs because Blu Ray doesn't really constitute the leap that videocassette to DVD did for home movie entertainment.

Now if we are taking about HD television, then yes, most have gone HD. Blu ray, not so much.

thats personal input, in places in asia and korea ,europe blu ray is getting there.



thelifatree on 25 August 2010
Cypher1980 said:
thelifatree said:
mitlar37 said:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/  11% marketshare (total revenue - not just "top 20") after 4 years on the market. And I have yet to see a pc game on Blu-Ray.

Edit
If I recall the adoption rate to dvd on PC was slow at first as well. I don't know how they compare... but even the KOTOR's on PC were all on CD's I don't really the format really taking off until the start this console gen or maybe a lil before.

how long was it until dvd's were the norm on pc? if I recall metal gear solid 2 was one of the first games (and badly ported) on the PC.

Also, the manufacturing costs... most games don't take up that much space. Say Mass Effect 2 it has 2 dvd's. Would it be cheaper for them to manufacture it on 2 dvd's or 1 blu ray?

Plus I'd add, that Digital Distribution is more appropriate for games on PC. as games do not take up the 30gb-50gb, the High Def video and audio does for Blu Ray movies.

 

From memory the DVD's started to become the norm around 2003. Prior to this a lot of games came out on CD for two reasons.

100 percent compatibility

The games fitted quite comfortably on a CD or two. A DVD was overkill.

Perhaps more telling is that in 1998 most new PC's came with a DVD ROM.

Now even today most new PC's dont come with a Blu Ray drive. Thats a BIG difference in adoption.

Most of reasons. Apply for Blu Ray as well.

most games come out on DVD's for reasons

100 percent compatibility.
Most games fit quite nicely on to a DVD or two. Blu-Ray is overkill... like I previosly stated.
Not most, mid-high end computers did. that means $1000 Compare it to post $1000 dollar computers of blu-ray I'm sure it's less. but that's to be expected. As it's competing with DD as well
http://news.cnet.com/CD-ROM-prices-plummeting/2100-1001_3-209603.html



Mr Khan on 25 August 2010
WarmachineX said:
ultraslick said:

virtually nothing to do with gaming?

What a crock of shit, seriously. We all know the advantages a bluray disc has in gaming.


You must be referring to the higher development costs? or perhaps the added free time you have between loading screens? ;)

BR has no future in gaming, as MS nor Nintendo will never use it in a console.


Nintendo will never use Blu-Ray, certainly. They'll use a dual-layered blue-laser read format called the "Nintendo Optical Disc 3" (after the Nintendo Optical Disc 1 that definitely was not a MiniDVD, and the Nintendo Optical Disc 2 which definitely is not a DVD9)



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Cypher1980 on 25 August 2010
thelifatree said:
Cypher1980 said:
thelifatree said:
mitlar37 said:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/  11% marketshare (total revenue - not just "top 20") after 4 years on the market. And I have yet to see a pc game on Blu-Ray.

Edit
If I recall the adoption rate to dvd on PC was slow at first as well. I don't know how they compare... but even the KOTOR's on PC were all on CD's I don't really the format really taking off until the start this console gen or maybe a lil before.

how long was it until dvd's were the norm on pc? if I recall metal gear solid 2 was one of the first games (and badly ported) on the PC.

Also, the manufacturing costs... most games don't take up that much space. Say Mass Effect 2 it has 2 dvd's. Would it be cheaper for them to manufacture it on 2 dvd's or 1 blu ray?

Plus I'd add, that Digital Distribution is more appropriate for games on PC. as games do not take up the 30gb-50gb, the High Def video and audio does for Blu Ray movies.

 

From memory the DVD's started to become the norm around 2003. Prior to this a lot of games came out on CD for two reasons.

100 percent compatibility

The games fitted quite comfortably on a CD or two. A DVD was overkill.

Perhaps more telling is that in 1998 most new PC's came with a DVD ROM.

Now even today most new PC's dont come with a Blu Ray drive. Thats a BIG difference in adoption.

Most of reasons. Apply for Blu Ray as well.

most games come out on DVD's for reasons

100 percent compatibility.
Most games fit quite nicely on to a DVD or two. Blu-Ray is overkill... like I previosly stated.
Not most, mid-high end computers did. that means $1000 Compare it to post $1000 dollar computers of blu-ray I'm sure it's less. but that's to be expected. As it's competing with DD as well
http://news.cnet.com/CD-ROM-prices-plummeting/2100-1001_3-209603.html


Well I can only talk for the UK. But I worked for a computer manufacturer at the time. Top 5 UK and we dropped CD drives in 1998 unless specifically requested by the end user in response to the competitors doing the same.

I dont know where you are based but I doubt your country was more than 6 months behind.