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zarx said:
ithis said:
zarx said:

it costs more - for now, it won't forever

many people can't perceive it - ?? the ones that have normal vision should with a good enough technology (not that crappy 2 colored cheap small glasses thing at the movies)

lowers game performance as it requires frames to be drawn twice - won't go into it, but not an issue (see Wii), also matter of evolution (Crytech pretends that creating stereoscopic 3d for Crysys2 adds 1.2% overhead or something, not that much and it's still early)

it gives many people headaches,nausea, eye strain - fixable by personalized glasses, or a number of technical solutions etc

and it doesn't actually add a whole lot to the experience - really? Now this is what I don't get? You do not feel the HUGE difference between the weak illusion of 3D on a normal screen and the "could be perfect" illusion of 3D in stereoscopy? Please explain.

 



so people should be hyped about 3D now because it will be cheaper in the future? odd reasoning

so you think the ~12% of people should be hyped for tech that they can't use?

yes but that is more expensive which is a major issue, additionally the glasses are an issue I forgot none wants to ware dorky/expensive (if you go designer) glasses while sitting on the couch especially with a bunch of mates/ the girl friend and all the people do need the glasses or it looks blurred, plus the glasses darken the image.

yes there is a difference but it's not really that huge (yes I have seen avatar in 3D and I can see stereo 3D) it adds an extra layer of depth but if it's done right and not just for a gimmick you stop noticing it, unless the movie/game is so boring that you are focusing on how prominent the 3D effect is. Maybe in the future there will be content that is heaps better in 3D than 2D but so far I haven't seen it and I am not investing $1000s on something that may happen. That said I am going to be getting a 3DS and will probably use the 3D, unless it hurts my eyes after extended periods like avatar did then I will turn it off.

I never said hyped. What I did say is why the "counterhype" from more people than the ones that can't perceive stereoscopic 3D?

The glasses is not really a problem I think, since in the future everyone will have some kind of glasses, for protection, sight correction, augmented reality, or more probably a combination of everything, till the high performance ocular implants take over. (not really a joke)

I remember trying to "see" those stereoscopic pictures in which you see nothing but chaos if you don't try to look behind them, you know the ones I'm talking about, and when I was finally able to see the image, it was weird and cool and amazing even though it was just a form on a flat background. Still, it had depth, something I think we naturally like. What I'm saying that main stream stereoscopic 3D is a good great awesome thing. 

No longer will you need shadows under flying creatures to actually know where the hell it is (see in FFXIII recently). No longer will you need to die a few times to learn the speed of a certain projectile coming at you. No longer will we need motion blur and depth of field tricks. You will know when something is closing too fast, or if actually there is enough distance to the freeking Star Destroyer crashing towards you so it won't kill you, and not just hope the scene was scripted well.



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ithis said:
zarx said:
ithis said:
zarx said:

it costs more - for now, it won't forever

many people can't perceive it - ?? the ones that have normal vision should with a good enough technology (not that crappy 2 colored cheap small glasses thing at the movies)

lowers game performance as it requires frames to be drawn twice - won't go into it, but not an issue (see Wii), also matter of evolution (Crytech pretends that creating stereoscopic 3d for Crysys2 adds 1.2% overhead or something, not that much and it's still early)

it gives many people headaches,nausea, eye strain - fixable by personalized glasses, or a number of technical solutions etc

and it doesn't actually add a whole lot to the experience - really? Now this is what I don't get? You do not feel the HUGE difference between the weak illusion of 3D on a normal screen and the "could be perfect" illusion of 3D in stereoscopy? Please explain.

 



so people should be hyped about 3D now because it will be cheaper in the future? odd reasoning

so you think the ~12% of people should be hyped for tech that they can't use?

yes but that is more expensive which is a major issue, additionally the glasses are an issue I forgot none wants to ware dorky/expensive (if you go designer) glasses while sitting on the couch especially with a bunch of mates/ the girl friend and all the people do need the glasses or it looks blurred, plus the glasses darken the image.

yes there is a difference but it's not really that huge (yes I have seen avatar in 3D and I can see stereo 3D) it adds an extra layer of depth but if it's done right and not just for a gimmick you stop noticing it, unless the movie/game is so boring that you are focusing on how prominent the 3D effect is. Maybe in the future there will be content that is heaps better in 3D than 2D but so far I haven't seen it and I am not investing $1000s on something that may happen. That said I am going to be getting a 3DS and will probably use the 3D, unless it hurts my eyes after extended periods like avatar did then I will turn it off.

I never said hyped. What I did say is why the "counterhype" from more people than the ones that can't perceive stereoscopic 3D?

Maybe they will turn to hype when it is cost effective and not just a trap for silly early adopters that will be stuck with expensive early tech that doesn't work well.

The glasses is not really a problem I think, since in the future everyone will have some kind of glasses, for protection, sight correction, augmented reality, or more probably a combination of everything, till the high performance ocular implants take over. (not really a joke)

That's your opinion I don't like wearing glasses for long periods of time let alone every waking moment. And that kind of thech is 10-20 years away at least before it gets mainstream if ever. Glasses free 3D is the future and that is a long way off for large TVs.

I remember trying to "see" those stereoscopic pictures in which you see nothing but chaos if you don't try to look behind them, you know the ones I'm talking about, and when I was finally able to see the image, it was weird and cool and amazing even though it was just a form on a flat background. Still, it had depth, something I think we naturally like. What I'm saying that main stream stereoscopic 3D is a good great awesome thing. 

I don't really get what you are talking about here

No longer will you need shadows under flying creatures to actually know where the hell it is (see in FFXIII recently). No longer will you need to die a few times to learn the speed of a certain projectile coming at you. No longer will we need motion blur and depth of field tricks. You will know when something is closing too fast, or if actually there is enough distance to the freeking Star Destroyer crashing towards you so it won't kill you, and not just hope the scene was scripted well.

Maybe eventually but I haven't seen it working that well yet, it's a nice idea but it will probably be another 5 years before tech and content get to that point. Call me when it's the future because today 3D is just a marketing gimmick.





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3D is a nothing more than a gimmick. I want holographic technology dam it. lol



When you lack the $$$, it is better to pretend something doesn't exist. And most people since lack the contact with it to really be able to notice how it's different.

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I watched a 3D TV at gamescom with polarization glasses. It wasn't that great:

- the picture was quite dark, so you could hardly see anything at all

- you can't twist your head even slightly (so that the polarization directions don't get wrong)

- with the game shown, the 3D effect wasn't all that great, I hardly noticed it

Pretty disappointing. Though I liked Avatar's 3D effects, so I'm not giving up on it. Waiting to see 3DS.



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haxxiy said:

When you lack the $$$, it is better to pretend something doesn't exist. And most people since lack the contact with it to really be able to notice how it's different.

I don't miss the Ferrari I've never owned, see?



So,how is it different? In my personal opinon 3D is nothing but a gimmick. It's just an excuse for these companies to get more money out of the consumer. I Don't lack the money to get a 3D T.V.,but that does'nt mean that I want it.



oldschoolfool said:
haxxiy said:

When you lack the $$$, it is better to pretend something doesn't exist. And most people since lack the contact with it to really be able to notice how it's different.

I don't miss the Ferrari I've never owned, see?



So,how is it different? In my personal opinon 3D is nothing but a gimmick. It's just an excuse for these companies to get more money out of the consumer. I Don't lack the money to get a 3D T.V.,but that does'nt mean that I want it.

It adds plenty of depth to the image and it could open new doors in the development of movies, normal TV and games. If you don't care about it, fine, no one has nothing to do with it, but there's plenty of people that do or it would if exposed to it.

But be careful calling things other people admit to like as gimmicks... they could have similar opinions about the stuff you like or obviously prefer.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
oldschoolfool said:
haxxiy said:

When you lack the $$$, it is better to pretend something doesn't exist. And most people since lack the contact with it to really be able to notice how it's different.

I don't miss the Ferrari I've never owned, see?



So,how is it different? In my personal opinon 3D is nothing but a gimmick. It's just an excuse for these companies to get more money out of the consumer. I Don't lack the money to get a 3D T.V.,but that does'nt mean that I want it.

It adds plenty of depth to the image and it could open new doors in the development of movies, normal TV and games. If you don't care about it, fine, no one has nothing to do with it, but there's plenty of people that do or it would if exposed to it.

But be careful calling things other people admit to like as gimmicks... they could have similar opinions about the stuff you like or obviously prefer.

But 3D is a gimmick "In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. However, the special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use. Thus, a gimmick is a special feature for the sake of having a special feature." As of now 3D is just that, maybe in the future there will be a time when games and movies will be 3D for real practical reasons and won't degrade the experience with glasses that degrade image quality (brightness contrast etc) But today the 3D effect is nothing but a marketing ploy, Which Avatar used very well. 



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It's not that I don't care and it's not that I dont' realize the price will come down, it's just there isn't much available that's worth the current price and the glasses simply aren't acceptable.



I can't see it. When I put the glasses on the blurring stops, but thats it. It may be my normal glasses fucking it over or it may be that it just doesn't work for me.