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Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

well the fire dept thinks differently...has was suspened and there is an ongoing probe



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Read the story, keyword WITNESSES.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/EMTS-Suspended-After-Leaving-Pregnant-Woman-to-Die-79860937.html



Kasz216 said:


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

what do you mean from the first line?

Also the Good Samartin Law would have protected him from lawsuits in case of any wrong doing.



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Xbbjf9s said:

Read the story, keyword WITNESSES.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/EMTS-Suspended-After-Leaving-Pregnant-Woman-to-Die-79860937.html


Witnesses can fabricate the truth.



Wagram said:
Xbbjf9s said:

Read the story, keyword WITNESSES.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/EMTS-Suspended-After-Leaving-Pregnant-Woman-to-Die-79860937.html


Witnesses can fabricate the truth.

yeah but I doubt a whole shop of people would lie about this, it is a public place. I'm more than sure that there were cameras...this is NYC after all.



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Seece said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

fuck lawsuits, in a matter of life or death (which it clearly was) shit like that goes out the window.



I was about to try and cite a few cases in which people who tried to help someone then got sued by the person they tried to help until dsister said something about the good Samaritan law - so looked it up and in NYC (according to wikipedia) New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency. So in this case I will agree with you, however, the law isn't applicable everywhere and it is defined differently by jurisdiction.

It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

The above paragraph is why people are hesitant to help others in distress.  I never even heard about the good Samaritan law before now, only the horror stories of people being sued into the ground by people that were offered assistance.



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In some jurisdictions, good Samaritan laws only protect those who have completed basic first aid training and are certified by health organizations, such as the American Heart AssociationAmerican Red Cross, or St. John Ambulance, provided that they have acted within the scope of their training.[17] In these jurisdictions, a person that is neither trained in first aid nor certified, and who performs first aid incorrectly, can still be held legally liable for errors made.

 

I took first aid training, it expires every few years in Canada, so based on the above if I were in the states could I provide assistance?  I have had training, but it has since expired.  

I would probably not do anything aside from calling emergency, and I am sure that I am not the only person that would say that.



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Also, kinda going off topic, this was discussed on the radio I listen to awhile ago, if you WERE trained in first aid and you saw someone on the street unconscious and NOT breathing, and you knew CPR would you give them mouth to mouth if you saw they had sores around their mouth (read:herpes)

I wouldn't.

And you can call me insensitive or whatever :P



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Tanstalas said:

Also, kinda going off topic, this was discussed on the radio I listen to awhile ago, if you WERE trained in first aid and you saw someone on the street unconscious and NOT breathing, and you knew CPR would you give them mouth to mouth if you saw they had sores around their mouth (read:herpes)

I wouldn't.

And you can call me insensitive or whatever :P


I would because if that was me on the ground i would want the help..just hope to god i don't get infected lol



Tanstalas said:

Also, kinda going off topic, this was discussed on the radio I listen to awhile ago, if you WERE trained in first aid and you saw someone on the street unconscious and NOT breathing, and you knew CPR would you give them mouth to mouth if you saw they had sores around their mouth (read:herpes)

I wouldn't.

And you can call me insensitive or whatever :P

I carry one of these in my wallet.

Minus the red case



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