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" I think violence should be avoided if at all possible."

CommieTranslator: "If we get what we want we won't riot"

 

You Commies still don't understand that you have no right to another person's time and labour do you? You're thieves. If people want to give to charity, they will.



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Pyro as Bill said:

" I think violence should be avoided if at all possible."

CommieTranslator: "If we get what we want we won't riot"

 

You Commies still don't understand that you have no right to another person's time and labour do you? You're thieves. If people want to give to charity, they will.


your just talking shit now. and you are the theives, explointing others for personal gain when you contribute less than most of them to society and humanity.



"explointing others for personal gain when you contribute less than most of them to society and humanity."

Wha..?

Exploiting the rich by stealing half of the wealth they generate, when you contribute less than ANY of them to society and humanity.



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Pyro as Bill said:

"explointing others for personal gain when you contribute less than most of them to society and humanity."

Wha..?

Exploiting the rich by stealing half of the wealth they generate, when you contribute less than ANY of them to society and humanity.


bullshit.

CEO's, Actors, Athletes, all paid stupid money for jobs that contribute litle or nothing to humanity or society.

Nurses work long and hard for the benefit of society and humanity yet get mediocre wages at best.

its not stealing if you dont deserve it or earn it anyway.



Ah, deserve.

This is why Commies always hate God. They think they should be the ones to tell everybody what they deserve. Trouble is, when you let a commie run wild it usually results in millions starving to death, doesn't it?



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Pyro as Bill said:

Ah, deserve.

This is why Commies always hate God. They think they should be the ones to tell everybody what they deserve. Trouble is, when you let a commie run wild it usually results in millions starving to death, doesn't it?

What are you talking about? just because someone disagrees with the means to cut back on the deficit and has a belief that pay does not equal worth does not mean they are a communist that is our to go kill rich people and starve millions.

Socialism and the welfare state is not the same as communism.

Congratulations though, you've just invented a weird twist on Godwin's Law.

P.S. i don't hate your god, i don't believe in any God.



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Scruff7 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Ah, deserve.

This is why Commies always hate God. They think they should be the ones to tell everybody what they deserve. Trouble is, when you let a commie run wild it usually results in millions starving to death, doesn't it?

What are you talking about? just because someone disagrees with the means to cut back on the deficit and has a belief that pay does not equal worth does not mean they are a communist that is our to go kill rich people and starve millions.

Socialism and the welfare state is not the same as communism.

Congratulations though, you've just invented a weird twist on Godwin's Law.

P.S. i don't hate your god, i don't believe in any God.

It was aimed at noddy, scruff. I'm not religious, I just find it noticable that commies actively dislike God (any God), they always seem to be against freedom of religion for some reason.



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Scruff7 said:
Kasz216 said:
NoddyHolder said:
Kasz216 said:
NoddyHolder said:
SamuelRSmith said:

Because there are no private sector alternatives to David Cameron's job. The wage for a public sector worker working for, say the Treasury, is high because they need to compete with the wages offered by the financial institutions. Those jobs require a similar skill set and education, so the Treasury needs to make it worthwhile for the people to choose working for them over working for, say, Goldman Sachs, or Barclays Investment.

The same goes for high level public sector workers across the board. The NHS is competing with Bupa for health care specialists, but also just for managerial jobs in general with the private sector.

simple solution, ban private healthcare. (education too)

So everyone is instead stuck with the standard shitty options... rigggggght.

Oh, and also... government now has no incentive to improve those shitty options since they now have no competition.

Brilliant idea.

they will improve them because people will want better education, and in a decent democracy, the government will listen and invest and impove both healthcare and education.

if you are saying that the USA/UK are not decent democracies, then I agree.

No... most people won't want a better education.  At least not if it's going to cost them money.  Have you never lived in a community that had to pass a school levy before?

The people who want better education tend to stop at people with kids when it comes to the votes.  Even then plenty of said group doesn't want to vote for it because of the horrible way most schools spend school levies.

With no Private schools there will be no frame of refrence for "better"... people will think it's fine.

Private institutions show the ineefficencies and flaws of public ones.

Afterall if private companies do a better job cheaper AND make a profit you know something is wrong with the public versions.


I believe your assumption that people won't want better education is possibly true, but the reasoning demonstrates what is wrong with those opinions.

The benefits of a bette educations system is not isolated to those who receive the education, the whole of society benefits. If a country has a better educated workforce, it's more likely to attract more business, international investment and increasing levels of employment.

This brings in more capital, the country gets richer, people have more money because they are employed in a strong economy and there are increased tax returns which allow for better public services.

Higher education also has knock on affects, including improved health, better social environment and reduced crime.

And even if there weren't private schools, you can still compare education to other countries, to other state schools and overall edcuation levels.

You can then see why having a really good quality, state education system benefits the whole of society. Cutting back on education will only cause long term problems, increased crime, a poorer, less skilled workforce, less investment and a weaker national economy. I don't think any of us want that.

Except maybe those who can afford to send their children to private schools, get their children into the top universities and can ensure their children a good job through nepotism. They are the ones who can afford private healthcare, tax haven status, and extra security to keep the 'local ruffians' out.

You are argueing from a fantasy perspective, plain and simple.  If it's not true now, it's not going to be true when you make it harder for it to be so.

Of course... that's pretty much how you've been arugeing everything.

You are saying "People will want better education because of all these reasons even though most of them don't care now."



NoddyHolder said:
FootballFan said:

What are they suppose to do?

Tax the ones who work 100 times more and scrap VAT rises that effect everyone?

There is no simple solution....and I don't no if you were saying the tories want to shoot everyone who earns less than 10k.  -.-

Yeah sure they want people to be workiing, as you know thats how you boost the economy. I think they are just annoyed with people that have no aim of finding employment...

raise inheritance tax, raise capital gains, raise corporation tax.

significantly reduce all military funding.

I would rather people who dont want to work (I doubt anywhere near as many as you muppets think, remember JSA is barely enough to live on) got a basic standard of living than were on the streets breaking the law to get by.

So... you want the rich people to move, stop investing and stop creating jobs.

Great solution!



NoddyHolder said:
Scruff7 said:
FootballFan said:

What are they suppose to do?

Tax the ones who work 100 times more and scrap VAT rises that effect everyone?

There is no simple solution....and I don't no if you were saying the tories want to shoot everyone who earns less than 10k as serious.  -.-


There are alternative solutions, especially through supporting the public sector, gradually reducing the defiticit while supporting those who need it.

Yes, it would mean those who can afford to pay more are taxed more, but that means we won't be cutting off support to those less well off, the vulnerable and essential services., all those services we need but don't usually think of.

The impact the current policies will have on those hard working people on lower incomes and the pubic sector (who work just as hard as anyone else), will be huge.

Finally, the amount you earn does not equate to how hard you work - a nurse in the UK earnes between £12k and £25k a year, a soldier earns £16-25k a year, a policeman between £19-32k, a social worker between £17-35k. are they not as hard working as bankers, stockbroakers, insurance brokers, hedgefund managers? I think it would be unfair to say they deserce less money.

exactly, the whole capitalist argument about hard work equating to better pay is utter dross and has no basis in reality.


Er... you do realize that's a GIANT strawman arguement since your forgetting the other 3 major things that decide pay.

1) Education needed to do the job.  Jobs not everybody can do pay more.

2) Value to the economy.  Those that you mention grow the economy tons of times more ovr then the first group.

3) Number of people who want to do the job.  The jobs you mentioned first are "Prestige" jobs.