I thought it was smart first time I saw it. However when I saw it the second time and was able to pay attention to other things as I already knew the specifics of the plot. Once you know the "rules" ther really isn't anything smart in the movie to watch out for.

Also I am not a fan of anyone. I'll never see a movie, buy a game, buy an album etc...and give it a handjob just based on who made it.

I'd love for someone to counter argue what I'm saying...rather than just acuse me of being a "Nolan hater".

Like no one has been able to tell me how the Dark Knight ending holds up on any level. The standoff with 2 ships which did not go as Joker planned proved that society won't collapse on its own. Why does Batman need to take the fault for Harvey Dents death? He says its cause the society will burst in to chaos...however doesn't the boat sequence prove otherwise? Society was just fine there without Harvey...

Also, even by that logic, cant they just blame the Joker for killing Dant? He pretty much killed him anyways...

Makes no sense I tell ya. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbgLapRAloQ :)

You can find flaws in logic,in pretty much any movie. Just take it for what it is,it's just a movie after all. As long as a movie entertains me,then I'm happy. I'll watch the movie when it comes out on dvd. lol

Agreed.

I liked TDK myself as well as Inception. Hell TDK is my 3rd favorite Batman movie.

But I've run in to so many people that have praised it to hell and back that I may come off sounding a little jaded towards it. Seems like Inception is following the same path. Like Oscar worthy? Really?

But again, if Avatar and The Hurt Locker can be nominated and win...Maybe Inception and Dark Knight should be in there too. :)

Momento on the other hand...that movie didn't get enough praise. Yes, there is a major flaw with that movie too. How does a man with short term memory loss remember that he has memory loss? But once one accepts that little loop hole, the movie is sublime...

Inception looks a bit like Shutter Island to me.

Leonardo seems to like these mind fuck movies.

I could have saw on two occassions but chose Get Him to the Greek and Toy Story 3D instead.

Both fantastic movies. Get Him to the Greek must be the funniest film since the Hangover.

Isn't that what Psychonauts is about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychonauts

He doesn't remember that he has memory loss. Hence why he has to write everything about his life (including the fact that he has memory loss) on his body and on notes that he keeps around him.

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As for TDK, I don't remember the specifics myself since I havent rewatched the movie, but the FAQ at imdb says this (spoilers below):

"When Dent had Gordon's family at the place where Rachel died, the police had a border already set up. By this time, Joker was in custody. Had they blamed Joker, everyone would have known they were lying. That would prompt an investigation into the other deaths. Batman and Gordon wanted to preserve Dent's image as the "White Knight," giving the citizens of Gotham hope."

...so they knew that Harvey was there, and they already had the Joker in custody. Batman had to take the fall. They give many more reasons here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/faq#.2.1.62

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Finally, regarding Inception, you can bash the movie all you want, but at the end of the day, your interpretations mean just as much as anyone else's. I personally agree with most of what originally said, but someone else could have interepreted the movie in a totally different way. It's still an open-ended movie, no matter how much you think you have it all figured out.

I just read the list...each one of those reasons is far fatched at best. The fact that the 2 boats which had the stand off didn't blow each other up should give the citizens of Gotham much more "hope" than Harvery Dent remaining a hero in the public image.

The truth would have worked great. Joker got to Harvey Dent when he killed his wife and scarred his face. Harvey Dent went crazy and tried to kill people. Batman put him down. The end. Sure it doesn't sound as cool as Batman VS the World, but sometimes less is more.

In any case, I agree that I should probably leave both movies alone as people may have different interpretations like you said.

I find it hard to have many interpretations in Inception when everything is so fact based and is presented in such a cut and dry manner... but sure. Actually, as I've seen the movie twice now, I'd love to hear some of those interpretations.

Several possible answers to your question:

* The beginning of the The Dark Knight, you see a bunch of people dressing up as Batman and doing vigilantee work in his name.  They are out of control.  In short he was too much of a hero.

* The entire thing with the Joker taking down Dent needed to be kept secret, so that Dent remains as an hero figure who worked within the law.  They were able to spin it so that Batman is wanted for questioning (a character like Batman is always wanted for questioning).  By having things the way it is now, Batman is really outside the law.  Batman is free to do whatever he will do, and not have to answer questions by the authorities.  The Police can say they know nothing of his actions. 

Well, that is my take.  Batman ends up able to do his job and left alone, and the law turns a blind eye to his actions.

Most people have this take, but I don't think it works. If those ships blew each other up, it would work as the city would still be in chaos.

However the people in those ships showed that there is hope for Gotham by not blowing each other up. That is a huge moral vicotry for the city which renders Harvey Dent as a hero figure obsolete.

I will admit that the way they ended it sets up some cool ideas for Part 3, with Batman being an outlaw...so it may have been a necessary sacrifice for greater things to come.

@ disolitude

Here is the short version of a response that, for some reason, didn't post properly

I agree that some of those theories are far-fetched, but if you take #1 and #4 and put them together, they work. I'm not saying that that this is the best route that they could have taken with the plot, but this line of thought would at least cover the gaping plothole that you were mentioning earlier, especially if the fact that many of Harvey's court cases relied on his personal integrity was mentioned beforehand.