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Tanstalas on 11 July 2010
FootballFan said:
Tanstalas said:
FootballFan said:
Tanstalas said:

Have fun paying $200 for video games :P

That's South America.


I was rounding up.. :P  I knew they were over the $100 mark anyhow.. just checked gamestop in NZ and looks like the games are about $130..

A wii 1 game = $498 lol

3rd world countries and there god damn overpriced electronics


Poor Squilliam..

 

I think that's the real reason TheRealMafoo is moving, he fell in love with Squilliam ;)



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sethnintendo on 12 July 2010

Couldn't you just get games shipped from a country that isn't overpriced.  I know shipping would cost a lot but maybe it would be cheaper overall?



TheRealMafoo on 12 July 2010
sethnintendo said:

Couldn't you just get games shipped from a country that isn't overpriced.  I know shipping would cost a lot but maybe it would be cheaper?


Yea. I would have enough friends in the US to send me a care package from time to time.

Also, keep in mind that 100 NZ dollars is about the same as 70 US dollars, so while it's overpriced there, it's not that bad.

Video games on sale were $90 there, and that's right around full price here.

Technology is definitely one of the things that's far better in the US. the same Sony TV that cost 1,500 in the US, cost 5,000 in NZ. Cell phone coverage us expensive as well.

Local TV there sucks too. But thanks to the weather and agriculture, I am sure I would spend a lot less time inside in NZ then I do in the US. The country just being what it is, promotes a more active lifestyle.



Kasz216 on 12 July 2010

Oh yeah, New Zealand is like the one country in the world where the PSP is beating the DS too isn't it?

Fine with me... I love my PSP.  Playing it right now.



Zucas on 12 July 2010

So just kinda throwing this out here again, is the main reason you are leaving this country simply because you don't like the mindsets of people... not only that a mindset of them wanting things rather than wanting to work to  get them.  Just trying to completely understand your change of heart from this country.  

I mean really, this reminds me a lot of Green Day's American Idiot album where you are the Jesus of Suburbia.  I won't tell ya what happens to the Jesus of Suburbia but right now you just went through the first song, American Idiot and you are working toward the second song, Jesus of Suburbia.  But I guess the story is not an unfamiliar one so really could work in a lot of situations.  But both were politically driven so why not.  



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numonex on 12 July 2010

10% unemployment rate and it is going up. Republicans or Democrats can not change anything. De-Industrialisation and shipping off a lot of jobs overseas to make quick short term huge profits has been costly. American Corporatism is pure evil.

Why are Americans so against unions and workers rights protection legislation? In my view/opinion everyone should have a god given right to a job. We all know of the widespread problems of high unemployment and high homeless rates = high crime rates. 

Workers united we will never be defeated. Socialism = workers and people movement.

Europe has strong unions and higher minimum wage and higher taxes but at least it does not have the widespread rich-poor divide which plagues the US. Yes the US are super rich but there are a lot of super poor. 

1% of the US elite control and own 35% of the US wealth. 20% wealthy people in the US controls and owns 85% of the US wealth. The remaining 80% of the US have to live off the remaining 15% US wealth. 

This may sound like  good old class war rhetoric. 



Final-Fan on 12 July 2010
mrstickball said:
numonex said:
Along came the Global Financial Crisis and the big Credit Crunch and the world is in big financial turmoil. Who was in for 8 years leading up the big crash? Boston Tea Party Republican George W.Bush  admin. wasted all the US tax payers money and raided pension funds to finance two Vietnam 2.0 Wars costing trillions plus interest. 

Generous tax cuts for the wealthy elite and huge US budget deficits were racked up every year under the careful governance of George W. Bush. 

Obama has not been able to turn things around because the US economy is royally screwed. Unemployment has doubled from 5% to 10%. The US deficits and national debt are growing and growing all the time. Asset prices have fallen all over. the two wars in Middle East continue with no end in sight. 

Austerity measures will kick in with increase taxes and cuts in spending. Short term pain for long term gain is needed to bring the Zombie US economy back from the dead.

The US Budget was balanced under the Democrats Clinton Admin. National debt was being paid off. Tax rates were higher under Clinton than under Bush. But the Government budget was balanced and the US economy was in a much better shape under President Clinton. Along came Republican George W. Bush who changed everything for the worse.

I don't think your from the US, so let me explain this:

Clinton had a Republican congress and senate. Look up Newt Gingrich and the 94 landslide victory. Clinton did not set the debt-reducing budget...Republicans did.

So I would think about that before attributing all the blame in the US to the republicans. The truth is, it takes two to tango. Neither party is totally guilty of whats happened, because both parties have had their hand in the problems. To assign blame to one, and only one, party like you are, is showing gross ignorance of the situation. Do not forget that Obama looks to raise the deficit more in 4 years (or even 3) than Bush did in 8....Not a good thing, when you have a significant control of congress and senate.

In point of fact, the major legislation responsible for balancing the budget was passed before that happened. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993
(AKA Deficit Reduction Act)

Not a single Republican in Congress voted for it. 



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Final-Fan on 12 July 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
As for the US, countries rise and fall. When the US falls, it will be quick, and of its own doing. No country lasts forever. I think because all our lives the US has been the world super power, we get the feeling it will just always be that way, and we can treat it any way we like.

I feel a little like the Jews that left Germany in the late 1920 and early 1930's. A lot of people just thought they were crazy.

I have been pretty good all my life at recognizing when it's time to leave a company or city based on economics. That intuition is telling me I need to leave the country, because in the coming 2-5 years, things are going to get REALLY bad.

Well, as for the last part, I think your instincts are underestimating the USA and its people! 

But I think the first (remaining) paragraph has a point, in that I also think people are not recognizing the fact that there are actually consequences for all the shit people have gotten up to in our government over the last few decades.  There will be problems, just not on the scale I imagine you're imagining.  But part of it is also probably that I lead a much less nomadic life, so things would have to get pretty bad indeed to make me leave the country. 



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numonex on 12 July 2010
Final-Fan said:
mrstickball said:
numonex said:
Along came the Global Financial Crisis and the big Credit Crunch and the world is in big financial turmoil. Who was in for 8 years leading up the big crash? Boston Tea Party Republican George W.Bush  admin. wasted all the US tax payers money and raided pension funds to finance two Vietnam 2.0 Wars costing trillions plus interest. 

Generous tax cuts for the wealthy elite and huge US budget deficits were racked up every year under the careful governance of George W. Bush. 

Obama has not been able to turn things around because the US economy is royally screwed. Unemployment has doubled from 5% to 10%. The US deficits and national debt are growing and growing all the time. Asset prices have fallen all over. the two wars in Middle East continue with no end in sight. 

Austerity measures will kick in with increase taxes and cuts in spending. Short term pain for long term gain is needed to bring the Zombie US economy back from the dead.

The US Budget was balanced under the Democrats Clinton Admin. National debt was being paid off. Tax rates were higher under Clinton than under Bush. But the Government budget was balanced and the US economy was in a much better shape under President Clinton. Along came Republican George W. Bush who changed everything for the worse.

I don't think your from the US, so let me explain this:

Clinton had a Republican congress and senate. Look up Newt Gingrich and the 94 landslide victory. Clinton did not set the debt-reducing budget...Republicans did.

So I would think about that before attributing all the blame in the US to the republicans. The truth is, it takes two to tango. Neither party is totally guilty of whats happened, because both parties have had their hand in the problems. To assign blame to one, and only one, party like you are, is showing gross ignorance of the situation. Do not forget that Obama looks to raise the deficit more in 4 years (or even 3) than Bush did in 8....Not a good thing, when you have a significant control of congress and senate.

In point of fact, the major legislation responsible for balancing the budget was passed before that happened. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993
(AKA Deficit Reduction Act)

Not a single Republican in Congress voted for it. 

Republican Boston Tea Party Supporters read that and weep. US Corporatism and neo-conservative economics are the cancerous ills which lead to the  inevitable financial meltdown. Reagan and Thatcher were the two main politicians who founded neo-conservatism in the early 1980s. Great work conservative right wing governments. Economic booms based on unlimited credit and huge debt. Fiat Capital system. The bubble burst, assets have fallen in values and unemployment is growing.

Golden period of economic prosperity during the 1920s which lead up to the 1929 Wall Street Crash triggered the Great Depression of the 1930s. 80 years on and it has happened again. Both times the Republicans had been in the White House  for almost a decade leading up to the crash. Both times the crashes followed peaks in economic prosperity based on unlimited supply of credit.  De-regulation of financial markets allowed for unlimited credit for businesses in the economy. When the Credit Crunch comes it is game over. 



HappySqurriel on 12 July 2010
numonex said:

 

10% unemployment rate and it is going up. Republicans or Democrats can not change anything. De-Industrialisation and shipping off a lot of jobs overseas to make quick short term huge profits has been costly. American Corporatism is pure evil.

Why are Americans so against unions and workers rights protection legislation? In my view/opinion everyone should have a god given right to a job. We all know of the widespread problems of high unemployment and high homeless rates = high crime rates. 

Workers united we will never be defeated. Socialism = workers and people movement.

Europe has strong unions and higher minimum wage and higher taxes but at least it does not have the widespread rich-poor divide which plagues the US. Yes the US are super rich but there are a lot of super poor. 

1% of the US elite control and own 35% of the US wealth. 20% wealthy people in the US controls and owns 85% of the US wealth. The remaining 80% of the US have to live off the remaining 15% US wealth. 

This may sound like  good old class war rhetoric. 

First off, factor for age and you will see the "Class war" numbers as the manipulative garbage that they really are. People who are about to retire have built up massive wealth and have very high incomes while people who are starting out in their career have neither.

Beyond that, there is a very strong correlation between stronger union influence in a region and higher unemployment. If you look at automobile manufacturers you can see the reason for this being that all three unionized American automobile manufacturers were slowly being pushed out of business by their non-unionized competition; and if it wasn't for government interference there would only be 1 American automobile manufacturer left.