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Boutros said:
axt113 said:
Boutros said:

http://www.abiresearch.com/press/1203-Consumers Delaying Blu-ray Player Purchases

"A new consumer survey from ABI Research has revealed a widespread reluctance to commit to a Blu-ray player in the near future: over half of the 1000 respondents, citing “other priorities,” say they have no plans to purchase one; a further 23% are likely to buy, but not until sometime in 2009."


Happens all the time with new tech.


Aversion to Glasses on the other hand is not going to change even with time


People will get used to it I think.

Anyway I'm not a fan of 3D myself so I have no difficulty at all to believe this survey.

No, people won't "get used to it", they'll just wait until glasses free tech comes along.  Not everyone is great big tech crackwhores like us gamers are.  Telling someone they need a $150-$200 set of glasses that are LOCKED TO MANUFACTURER for every viewer is not something people will just accept or get used to. 

Again, the only reason gamers get treated with such contempt is because they let it happen -- non-enthusiasts will just tell manufacturers to go fuck themselves until they figure out how to do it without glasses. 

Especially 1-2 years after buying a brand new shiny HDTV.



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cAPSLOCK said:
Boutros said:
axt113 said:
Boutros said:

http://www.abiresearch.com/press/1203-Consumers Delaying Blu-ray Player Purchases

"A new consumer survey from ABI Research has revealed a widespread reluctance to commit to a Blu-ray player in the near future: over half of the 1000 respondents, citing “other priorities,” say they have no plans to purchase one; a further 23% are likely to buy, but not until sometime in 2009."


Happens all the time with new tech.


Aversion to Glasses on the other hand is not going to change even with time


People will get used to it I think.

Anyway I'm not a fan of 3D myself so I have no difficulty at all to believe this survey.

No, people won't "get used to it", they'll just wait until glasses free tech comes along.  Not everyone is great big tech crackwhores like us gamers are.  Telling someone they need a $150-$200 set of glasses that are LOCKED TO MANUFACTURER for every viewer is not something people will just accept or get used to. 

Again, the only reason gamers get treated with such contempt is because they let it happen -- non-enthusiasts will just tell manufacturers to go fuck themselves until they figure out how to do it without glasses. 

Especially 1-2 years after buying a brand new shiny HDTV.

The price will go down fast just like everything else tech-related.



Maynard_Tool said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
tarheel91 said:
Killiana1a said:
axt113 said:

Japanese don't like glasses, or expensive TV's

 http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/japanese-turned-off-by-3d-glasses

 Of those, almost 70 per cent cited the hassle of wearing special glasses, 57 per cent said prices were too high

If I am not mistaken, the Japanese market is where Sony beats out Nintendo and Microsoft. If this is a true reflection of the market, then Sony may be in a bit of a bind. Sony with the Move will be introducing 3D games in an effort to push the sales of their $3,000 plus 3D televisions and as this article points out, the Japanese consumer on a mass scale will not bite.


10.4 mil Wii to 5.3 mil PS3.

30.7 mil DS to 14.8 PSP.

Huh?


i think he meant when SONY has a good price for PS3 to compete with Nintendo

most of the Wii overhaul sales over PS3 were before PS3 hit $299 last year

and PSP got murdered by piracy but still outsells DS many times

Well.... with half the sales, psp should eventually start outselling the DS....

PSP and DS nowdays outsell each other week on week

its just that because of the PSP piracy the software sales that boost PSP first week go down after few weeks.also Nitendo has been dominant in handheld and has pokemon,mario to save it



3D technology is still evolving so I don't think it is wise to rush out and buy a 3D tv just yet. Let the big corporations make the expensive mistakes.



Boutros said:

Nintendo is not in the TV business.

Nintendo does not need to be in the TV business to affect the TV business.

The 3DS is what economists call a "disruptive technology" meaning it is a technology that affects their competitor's other areas of business such as Sony's multi-thousand dollar 3D television.

Come 2011, when Sony is pushing 3D games on the Move to get consumers to buy their 3D televisions, consumers will see a $200-300 3D glass free technology via Nintendo 3DS and start to ask why is Sony asking me to drop $3k or more for a 3D television requiring and extra $100-200 for 3D glasses when my son/daughter has a 3D handheld that does not require and expensive television and glasses?

This is the pickle Sony will be in and it is a hard one considering all the R&D, production and marketing costs they have accumulated to create their 3D televisions.



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Killiana1a said:
axt113 said:

Japanese don't like glasses, or expensive TV's

 http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/japanese-turned-off-by-3d-glasses

 Of those, almost 70 per cent cited the hassle of wearing special glasses, 57 per cent said prices were too high

If I am not mistaken, the Japanese market is where Sony beats out Nintendo and Microsoft. If this is a true reflection of the market, then Sony may be in a bit of a bind. Sony with the Move will be introducing 3D games in an effort to push the sales of their $3,000 plus 3D televisions and as this article points out, the Japanese consumer on a mass scale will not bite.


the thing is that not all 3D TVs require glasses. Even two of Sony's 3D TVs dont require glasses at all. They are just way the freak more expensive. Sony, and Samsung, took the wrong route with their 3D making their entry models require glasses. Panasonic has passive-3D TVs that dont require glasses, so why cant these two companies forget the glasses? because the TVs that need the glasses are cheaper to produce and they can make tons of profit off the the glasses.



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Seriously, 30 per cent is not bad, you could almost say that it is good.

Anyway, surveys are not representative for the whole population, but if it was... well... you can figure out how much 30 per cent of the japanese population (who are able to buy TVs, of course) is.



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FinalEvangelion said:

I don't know if I'm the only one who thinks this, but 31% acceptance of a brand new expensive technology that will follow a normal market curve (innovators, early adopters, early majority, late majority, laggards) is pretty damn good.

That's exactly what I thought. But what baffled me the most even more is the fact that only 57% said that prices are too high. Current prices for 3DTVs are ridiculously high, I would have expected a value > 90% for that question.

And when it comes to the question about 3D glasses, it would be very interesting to know the exact phrasing. For example a question like "Would it bother you having to wear glasses for watching 3D on a 3DTV?" does not say much. I for instance do not like the idea of having to wear glasses for watching 3D either, but it does not bother me so much that I would not buy a 3DTV with glasses if the price is right. Nobody likes wearing 3D glasses, but the tremendous success of 3D movies in cinemas clearly shows that people are more than willing to wear 3D glasses and even pay more money to enjoy 3D.

I understand that the fact the recently introduced 3DS does not require them makes many gamers believe that people will not accept 3DTVs that require glasses because they see that 3D without glasses is possible. But that's wrong, as word will spread that what works for a small mobile device is not necessarily the best solution for a TV or cinema.



ssj12 said:

the thing is that not all 3D TVs require glasses. Even two of Sony's 3D TVs dont require glasses at all. They are just way the freak more expensive. Sony, and Samsung, took the wrong route with their 3D making their entry models require glasses. Panasonic has passive-3D TVs that dont require glasses, so why cant these two companies forget the glasses? because the TVs that need the glasses are cheaper to produce and they can make tons of profit off the the glasses.

Yes, glasses-free 3DTVs already exist. But even though they seem obviously superior they won't be successful for at least a decade. It's not just that they are extremely expensive (> 10.000$), they also have serious disadvantages when compared to 3DTVs with glasses. Displays like the one in the 3DS only work if the viewer is exactly in front of them. There is technology that makes it possible to see the 3D effect from more than one position, but that comes at the cost of reduced resolution. All these disadvantages have already led Philips to give up on glasses-free 3DTVs for at least a couple of years.



give it a few years, technology will get better, standards will develope and improve, and the price will drop. next consoles will prbly use 3d as a standard