So you think the electoral college is a bad system, but you also are against the proportional splitting of california's electoral votes? What are you for?
Also if California is majority Democrat then this measure wouldn't pass anyway.
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| Greer said: Just to throw this out there, the individual States control how their electoral votes are divided up. This is why Maine and Nebraska can split based on voter lines. Remember when the Constitution was written the States had the majority of power, not the federal government. So, the federal governement couldn't force CA to split their votes and even if they could the Dems control Congress. That being said CA already passed an ammendment to their state constitution this year that states the winner of the National Popular Vote would recieve all of CA's electoral vote. THis artical is basically just trying to get a head start on the Republicans stole the election BS that we get all the time. These are just some of the problems with this article, but hey lets believe anything someone tells us is true, and not do any research. Based on the fact alone that this guy is posting this on a VG site just goes to show you what his motive is. Rep=evil Dem= savior of mankind, of course neither party should be given a free pass, and each candidate should be judged on their own merits, not party alliance, becuase neither party is great in my book, that is just my thought though... |
| The Campaign for a National Popular Vote is campaigning for every state simply to commit its delegates to the Electoral College to vote 100 per cent for the candidate who wins the popular vote. This would render the Electoral College a forgotten technicality. It's very revealing that when the California state Senate voted to introduce this genuinely democratic system last year, the Republican governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, vetoed it, with the support of his party. |
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| jankazimierz said: I think this article is WAY premature, because if it really was going to happen (which I doubt) the liberal media would be all over it. (yes I am biased cause i said "liberal" media) |
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| ckmlb said: So you think the electoral college is a bad system, but you also are against the proportional splitting of california's electoral votes? What are you for? Also if California is majority Democrat then this measure wouldn't pass anyway. |
| The Campaign for a National Popular Vote is campaigning for every state simply to commit its delegates to the Electoral College to vote 100 per cent for the candidate who wins the popular vote. This would render the Electoral College a forgotten technicality. It's very revealing that when the California state Senate voted to introduce this genuinely democratic system last year, the Republican governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, vetoed it, with the support of his party. |
| There is a real risk they could succeed. They are close to getting the number of signatures they need to secure a referendum in June. (The Los Angeles Downtown News claims to have witnessed signature-gatherers offering homeless people food in return for signing.) The turnout for the referendum is expected to be extremely low, because the statewide primaries usually held on that date have been moved forward to February. So the Republicans only have to activate a small part of their base to push it through -- and they have the cash to do it. California dreamin', on such a winter's day. |
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| ckmlb said: So you think the electoral college is a bad system, but you also are against the proportional splitting of california's electoral votes? What are you for? Also if California is majority Democrat then this measure wouldn't pass anyway. |
The fair thing to do would be to implement the same system everywhere, and not just where it benefits a specific and pre-determined party. Especially so if the people who are trying to change things in California are doing it with the intention of benefiting the Republican party.
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| ckmlb said: So you think the electoral college is a bad system, but you also are against the proportional splitting of california's electoral votes? What are you for? |
To whom is this directed?
@Final Fan: I read the that and it still doesn't answer why the writer of the article is against proportional representation. If electoral votes were split proportionally then the winner of the popular vote would win...
@NJ5: Each state decides on thei own what system to follow if they want, so if California decides they want it this way it's entirely fair.
@Entroper: to the writer of the article and the OP who posted with no comment meaning he/she agrees.
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From the OP: "The founders designed it this way for a number of reasons. They wanted the smaller states to have a say, so they gave them a disproportionate number of Electoral College votes. They also believed that, in a country that was largely isolated and illiterate, voters wouldn't know much about out-of-state figures and would be better off picking intermediaries who could exercise discretion on their behalf."
There was no requirement for popular vote at all. In the first few presidential elections most states had state legislators pick the electors; the majority of states would continue this through 1812 and a good portion did it through 1824 & 8.
Alleged vote fixing of 2000 and this are two different things. Of course if Al Gore would have won he would have already killed Bin Laden himself with his bare hands.
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
On topic: If California would switch to that system it would be better for Republicans. Why would the Govenator shoot it down then?
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