You mean vs holding a round piece of plastic that isn't attached to anything?  I won't say holding onto something isn't good, just why would people here think that it is way beyond holding nothing?  If you want to hold onto something close to real, get a force feedback steering wheel, and real peddles you push you foot down on.  At least Kinect stands a chance of capturing your foot motion.  Also, I have yet to see that you couldn't take a Mario Kart steering wheel to hold your hand in place.

I was one who believed the Wii had a chance of being successful when I saw the price point and Wii Sports (the bowling and boxing looked like fun), and I still believe that Kinect could crash and burn if it doesn't respond well enough, doesn't have the apps, and is too expensive.  I don't believe the concept alone is bad.

Concept might not be bad, but implementation on the other hand looks like typical 3rd party effort on Wii. But I'll wait with final judgement before press-conference.

On your "core" reaction - true, they ain't indicator of anything, but that doesn't make otherwise true as well (like if their reaction on smth bad it's automatically good for mass market).

The best option is indeed a steering wheel, a plastic wheel with the controler inset is also effective and holding air is the least effective - and if you have to hold something to pretend then Kinect as billed doesn't deliver and you're better with Wii or Move.

Kinect is about a better experience without a controller or held object - that's the push from MS, not me.

And on that evidence it doesn't deliver anything that seems superior.  I love the tech, but for games they haven't convinced me yet.

I know they're trying to be accessible, but I'm a form and function guy.  The best input for driving isn't holding air, it's a steering wheel and pedals.  The best input for tennis isn't holding air or a lump of inert plastic but a feedback device like the Wiimote that can vibrate when you strike the ball and deliver the sound of the impact realistically from your hand.

I'm dissappointed because MS hasn't been daring.  The titles are all basically ripping of Wii standards that I'm very comfortable perform better with a scheme like the Wii.

Milo and Kate caught my attention, but was absent here.  Personally I don't feel they've shown my anything really designed optimally for Kinect but a bunch of stuff already delivered in one form or another by Nintendo/Sony over the years adapted for Kinect - and given the time they've had I find that dissappointing.

Funnily enough it was the Slim that I liked the best there - plus the core titles.  But Kinect - if you'll pardon the pun - didn't connect with me.