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Strike24 on 28 May 2010

Bad voice acting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAtC1SzWSXg

I win.



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Severance on 29 May 2010
Strike24 said:
Bad voice acting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAtC1SzWSXg

I win.

this is sad because Shadow Hearts is one of my favorite games and Karin and Yuri are one of my favorite characters.



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I live for the sword, the steel, and the gun...

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Hynad on 29 May 2010
I_hate_Itagaki said:
rutea7 said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
rutea7 said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
rutea7 said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
Weegee said:
rutea7 said:
thats the difference i guess.

when the japanese are doing localization for a western game in japan they showed respect towards that work by doing a good job.

that voice acting sounds really good =)

when western is supposed to do localizations for japanese games they can be either good or show how much lack of respect they have for other peoples work by doing a crappy job.

What ? Japanese respect the western game ? The japanese have awful prejudice for western and they got a word to describe and discriminate western game.

 

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/01/square-enix-says-japanese-retail-prejudiced-against-western-games/

 

 

Haha, looks like this is not really KAWAII NO DESU! Awesome, where did you found that?!

they are talking about retail

the japanese audience is also prejudiced against western games

u didnt get what i said did u?

i said people who WORK on localizationtake pride in their work and do a good job (thats respectful towards the western company that made the game, so they dont have a joke of a japanese version on the market). thats the way i see it.

also a lot of  western "professional" voice actors who dont seem to know what they are doing or just dont understand the market they are working in, some japanese games english voice overs sound like the crappy voice overs from cartoons i'd watch when i was 4 or 5. thats just lousy work.

Do you have any proof of sources? That's your opinion and guess.

For the voices, japanese one are bad IMO. I prefer cartoon english voices to screaming little japanese boys. They just scream. Like I said, you lived in a place where you talk english and ear english all the time. When you ear japanese, you can't ear the voices defaults because you can't speak japanese. Or maybe you are from the bunch of people who learned japanese to play games and watch anime O.o I hope not.

i didnt learn japanese. my vocabulary is limited to a couple of words and expressions, havent watched anime since my teens ( feeling old now)

i do like to watch japanese movies (shinobi, battle royale, ichi, etc) and jdramas. japanese actors and voice actors are good and tend to be perfectionists.

though there are good western voice actors, they are a rare species, but i do apreciate and enjoy it when its a work well done and adds value to the game.

 

and I'm Portuguese.

i appreciate music and movies and entertainment in lots of languages, i dont need to understand the language to see when acting is half assed, you need to just be a bit familiar with the culture itself. that comes from observing.

O.o ok so if you don't know the language, but you observe, you can ear if the voice is good? Weird, I guess you have super ears. IMO Western voices are the best because of the accents. I talk French and English (I'm from Canada/Québec, so I need to learn both) and I noticed that English language can have all accents (just watch english version of hellsing and you'll have British, French and German accent), but in Japanese, there is no accent, which is sad because all characters sound the same. The only good japanese voice I heard is from Touhou Innocent Key (the voice of Remilia). BTW Can you explain me how the culture help with the distinction of good voice actors and bad voice actors?

they actually have regional accents that u cant tell unless they mention it to u in some behind the scenees and then u start to pay attention to it. (Rogue Galaxy as an example)

acting is about transmiting expressing a reaction or feeling, if its good it will look real. u also have to take in consideration the culture and the posture that different people will have based on society, demographics, etc.

if u cant be that observant i dont know what to say to you. i know u speak french in Quebec, my boyfriend is from there, i also know most people there dont speak english and i know that you dub the movies to french.

culture and the ambiance u grow up in does affect a person's posture and the way they express themselves, it's how u can tell japanese characters from western ones. cultural differences.... try to be more open minded about that. everyone has deifferent backgrounds, u live in a big country, people from quebec have a different posture from people from ontario. i know people from both, i know people from argentina, eastern europe, brazil, china... not from the internet, personally. people who grew up elsewhere. they are all completely different in the way they act, talk, react.

but what do i know...

First: It's really bad when you can't tell if the character have an accent until the game tells you he have one.

Second: I acting is baout feelings and all, but the society and culture doesn't change anything in voice acting. If a guy is playing a american business man, he could make a japanese business man too. The personality of the character doesn't change because of the race and culture. They will react the same. If they are sad, happy, shocked, angry, etc. They will act the same way because they have the same personality! If you were Spanish (same family, same friends, everything is the same), you'll be the same person.

Third: In Québec, we talk French, but almost everybody knows English. Why? Because we saw it everywhere. On TV (some shows are only in english), the sings are bilingual and we have English since pre school (11 years of english at school). Plus, alot of jobs require perfect bilinguals (even gamestop employees must be bilingual).

And you say that I must open my mind? You are saying that Western voices sucks, and I say the same thing about the japanese voices. At least I hate voices from one country, you hate voices from a continent (and more)!

P.S. Québec people and Ontario people are the same, they just talk english, that's the difference.

If we are going to say the same thing over and over again, let's close this discussion.

First: Nice way of completely missing the point.

Second: Just mentioning how the intonations of someone who is Japanese and one who is American English are completely different even when they portray the same emotions should be enough to point you in the right direction.  Here's me trying to make sure I don't point out your blatant ignorance in the process as much as possible.

Third: In Québec, almost everybody has a basic understanding of english (key word: basic: yes, no, toaster), the majority still can't watch and understand a movie or a videogame.  The younger generations , those born in the late 70s, the 80s and later, have a much better understanding than the rest and many are even bilingual but they are not the norm.  I don't know who you are trying to fool here.

Western voice acting works aren't on par quality-wise to the ones found in Japan (this is indeed to be taken as when talking about the norm, not the exceptions).  If you would so much as try to research your shit before posting your ignorant garbage you would know this as an established fact.  The voice acting works in the west is inconsistent quality-wise compared to Japan for many reasons (budget, actor pool (which is much smaller), budget constraints, directors, release schedule limitations, etc...), and the fact that you know next to nothing about the Japanese culture and language other than the fact that you don't like their voice pitch doesn't qualify you as a proper critique of their work, on the contrary.

 

Now concerning your stupid P.S.: Québec people and Ontario people aren't the same.  Québec people are much more whiny/complaining and self-righteous.

 

If you have nothing but ignorance, prejudices and misinformation to spit then I agree you should leave this discussion as is.

 

 

Signed: A fellow Québec citizen.

 

P.S. : In Québec, we don't talk French, we speak French.  ¬_¬



Fab_GS on 29 May 2010

Nothing is worse than this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVyOCssIXgQ



I_hate_Itagaki on 29 May 2010
Hynad said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
rutea7 said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
rutea7 said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
rutea7 said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
Weegee said:
rutea7 said:
thats the difference i guess.

when the japanese are doing localization for a western game in japan they showed respect towards that work by doing a good job.

that voice acting sounds really good =)

when western is supposed to do localizations for japanese games they can be either good or show how much lack of respect they have for other peoples work by doing a crappy job.

What ? Japanese respect the western game ? The japanese have awful prejudice for western and they got a word to describe and discriminate western game.

 

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/01/square-enix-says-japanese-retail-prejudiced-against-western-games/

 

 

Haha, looks like this is not really KAWAII NO DESU! Awesome, where did you found that?!

they are talking about retail

the japanese audience is also prejudiced against western games

u didnt get what i said did u?

i said people who WORK on localizationtake pride in their work and do a good job (thats respectful towards the western company that made the game, so they dont have a joke of a japanese version on the market). thats the way i see it.

also a lot of  western "professional" voice actors who dont seem to know what they are doing or just dont understand the market they are working in, some japanese games english voice overs sound like the crappy voice overs from cartoons i'd watch when i was 4 or 5. thats just lousy work.

Do you have any proof of sources? That's your opinion and guess.

For the voices, japanese one are bad IMO. I prefer cartoon english voices to screaming little japanese boys. They just scream. Like I said, you lived in a place where you talk english and ear english all the time. When you ear japanese, you can't ear the voices defaults because you can't speak japanese. Or maybe you are from the bunch of people who learned japanese to play games and watch anime O.o I hope not.

i didnt learn japanese. my vocabulary is limited to a couple of words and expressions, havent watched anime since my teens ( feeling old now)

i do like to watch japanese movies (shinobi, battle royale, ichi, etc) and jdramas. japanese actors and voice actors are good and tend to be perfectionists.

though there are good western voice actors, they are a rare species, but i do apreciate and enjoy it when its a work well done and adds value to the game.

 

and I'm Portuguese.

i appreciate music and movies and entertainment in lots of languages, i dont need to understand the language to see when acting is half assed, you need to just be a bit familiar with the culture itself. that comes from observing.

O.o ok so if you don't know the language, but you observe, you can ear if the voice is good? Weird, I guess you have super ears. IMO Western voices are the best because of the accents. I talk French and English (I'm from Canada/Québec, so I need to learn both) and I noticed that English language can have all accents (just watch english version of hellsing and you'll have British, French and German accent), but in Japanese, there is no accent, which is sad because all characters sound the same. The only good japanese voice I heard is from Touhou Innocent Key (the voice of Remilia). BTW Can you explain me how the culture help with the distinction of good voice actors and bad voice actors?

they actually have regional accents that u cant tell unless they mention it to u in some behind the scenees and then u start to pay attention to it. (Rogue Galaxy as an example)

acting is about transmiting expressing a reaction or feeling, if its good it will look real. u also have to take in consideration the culture and the posture that different people will have based on society, demographics, etc.

if u cant be that observant i dont know what to say to you. i know u speak french in Quebec, my boyfriend is from there, i also know most people there dont speak english and i know that you dub the movies to french.

culture and the ambiance u grow up in does affect a person's posture and the way they express themselves, it's how u can tell japanese characters from western ones. cultural differences.... try to be more open minded about that. everyone has deifferent backgrounds, u live in a big country, people from quebec have a different posture from people from ontario. i know people from both, i know people from argentina, eastern europe, brazil, china... not from the internet, personally. people who grew up elsewhere. they are all completely different in the way they act, talk, react.

but what do i know...

First: It's really bad when you can't tell if the character have an accent until the game tells you he have one.

Second: I acting is baout feelings and all, but the society and culture doesn't change anything in voice acting. If a guy is playing a american business man, he could make a japanese business man too. The personality of the character doesn't change because of the race and culture. They will react the same. If they are sad, happy, shocked, angry, etc. They will act the same way because they have the same personality! If you were Spanish (same family, same friends, everything is the same), you'll be the same person.

Third: In Québec, we talk French, but almost everybody knows English. Why? Because we saw it everywhere. On TV (some shows are only in english), the sings are bilingual and we have English since pre school (11 years of english at school). Plus, alot of jobs require perfect bilinguals (even gamestop employees must be bilingual).

And you say that I must open my mind? You are saying that Western voices sucks, and I say the same thing about the japanese voices. At least I hate voices from one country, you hate voices from a continent (and more)!

P.S. Québec people and Ontario people are the same, they just talk english, that's the difference.

If we are going to say the same thing over and over again, let's close this discussion.

First: Nice way of completely missing the point.

Second: Just mentioning how the intonations of someone who is Japanese and one who is American English are completely different even when they portray the same emotions should be enough to point you in the right direction.  Here's me trying to make sure I don't point out your blatant ignorance in the process as much as possible.

Third: In Québec, almost everybody has a basic understanding of english (key word: basic: yes, no, toaster), the majority still can't watch and understand a movie or a videogame.  The younger generations , those born in the late 70s, the 80s and later, have a much better understanding than the rest and many are even bilingual but they are not the norm.  I don't know who you are trying to fool here.

Western voice acting works aren't on par quality-wise to the ones found in Japan (this is indeed to be taken as when talking about the norm, not the exceptions).  If you would so much as try to research your shit before posting your ignorant garbage you would know this as an established fact.  The voice acting works in the west is inconsistent quality-wise compared to Japan for many reasons (budget, actor pool (which is much smaller), budget constraints, directors, release schedule limitations, etc...), and the fact that you know next to nothing about the Japanese culture and language other than the fact that you don't like their voice pitch doesn't qualify you as a proper critique of their work, on the contrary.

 

Now concerning your stupid P.S.: Québec people and Ontario people aren't the same.  Québec people are much more whiny/complaining and self-righteous.

 

If you have nothing but ignorance, prejudices and misinformation to spit then I agree you should leave this discussion as is.

 

 

Signed: A fellow Québec citizen.

 

P.S. : In Québec, we don't talk French, we speak French.  ¬_¬

Bon vu que tu vis au Québec, cheque ben m a t expliquer ca d un maniere que tu va comprendre. T'a pas rapport, le premier point j'ai répondu a une de ses phrases. Si tu saurais lire, tu l'aurais deja catcher. Deuxiemement, pense quess tu veux a propos des émotions. Si t'es asser cave pour croire que la race pis la culture change l'expressions des émotions, pense le pis va écouter des ti animes en disans que c meilleur que se qu on a icit, le smat. Pis donne moi donc des preuves avant de te penser bon pis de péter au dessus du trou! Pis t pas un meilleur critique que n'importequi ici, c ton opinion! Pis tu c tu quoi, j'men criss pas mal de ta tite opinion de vendu!

Pis comme ca tu vis a Québec pis tu dit qu on chiale pour rien? Ah pis qu'on se pense meilleur que les autres? T'a tu des preuves la dessus, mon ti Kawaii no desu? Si t'aime pas ca, va dont vivre au Japon!

Pis tu c tu quoi? J'en calisse de mal parler sur un forum avec des péteux de broux comme toé! T'es vraiment la pire rapasse du monde. J'en connais un gang qui sont comme toi. Vu qui aime les affaires japonais, ils se pensent culturer pis la y se mettent a se sentir supérieur. Ils écoutent des animes ou y jousent a des jeux jap parcequ il s'identifient au héro, le ti fif avec les cheveux en pique. Pis après y vont se crosser devant des petites filles qui se fonts violer par des monstres tentaculaires. Bon jte laisse, bon cosplay cet été! J'espere que tu va poster des images de toi avec ton costume on va pouvoir rire un peu.

Bon jte laisse dans tes animes, bon cosplay cette été! J'espere que tu va poster des images de toi avec ton costume on va pouvoir rire un peu.


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I_hate_Itagaki on 29 May 2010
Strike24 said:
Bad voice acting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAtC1SzWSXg

I win.

Oh god that's awful. I'm sure they were sleeping when they recorded.



I_hate_Itagaki on 29 May 2010
Fab_GS said:
Nothing is worse than this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVyOCssIXgQ

I agree, It's really bad. Check this too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obPYsLZwhxE&feature=fvw



Weegee on 29 May 2010
Hynad said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
rutea7 said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
rutea7 said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
rutea7 said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
Weegee said:
rutea7 said:
thats the difference i guess.

when the japanese are doing localization for a western game in japan they showed respect towards that work by doing a good job.

that voice acting sounds really good =)

when western is supposed to do localizations for japanese games they can be either good or show how much lack of respect they have for other peoples work by doing a crappy job.

What ? Japanese respect the western game ? The japanese have awful prejudice for western and they got a word to describe and discriminate western game.

 

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/01/square-enix-says-japanese-retail-prejudiced-against-western-games/

 

 

Haha, looks like this is not really KAWAII NO DESU! Awesome, where did you found that?!

they are talking about retail

the japanese audience is also prejudiced against western games

u didnt get what i said did u?

i said people who WORK on localizationtake pride in their work and do a good job (thats respectful towards the western company that made the game, so they dont have a joke of a japanese version on the market). thats the way i see it.

also a lot of  western "professional" voice actors who dont seem to know what they are doing or just dont understand the market they are working in, some japanese games english voice overs sound like the crappy voice overs from cartoons i'd watch when i was 4 or 5. thats just lousy work.

Do you have any proof of sources? That's your opinion and guess.

For the voices, japanese one are bad IMO. I prefer cartoon english voices to screaming little japanese boys. They just scream. Like I said, you lived in a place where you talk english and ear english all the time. When you ear japanese, you can't ear the voices defaults because you can't speak japanese. Or maybe you are from the bunch of people who learned japanese to play games and watch anime O.o I hope not.

i didnt learn japanese. my vocabulary is limited to a couple of words and expressions, havent watched anime since my teens ( feeling old now)

i do like to watch japanese movies (shinobi, battle royale, ichi, etc) and jdramas. japanese actors and voice actors are good and tend to be perfectionists.

though there are good western voice actors, they are a rare species, but i do apreciate and enjoy it when its a work well done and adds value to the game.

 

and I'm Portuguese.

i appreciate music and movies and entertainment in lots of languages, i dont need to understand the language to see when acting is half assed, you need to just be a bit familiar with the culture itself. that comes from observing.

O.o ok so if you don't know the language, but you observe, you can ear if the voice is good? Weird, I guess you have super ears. IMO Western voices are the best because of the accents. I talk French and English (I'm from Canada/Québec, so I need to learn both) and I noticed that English language can have all accents (just watch english version of hellsing and you'll have British, French and German accent), but in Japanese, there is no accent, which is sad because all characters sound the same. The only good japanese voice I heard is from Touhou Innocent Key (the voice of Remilia). BTW Can you explain me how the culture help with the distinction of good voice actors and bad voice actors?

they actually have regional accents that u cant tell unless they mention it to u in some behind the scenees and then u start to pay attention to it. (Rogue Galaxy as an example)

acting is about transmiting expressing a reaction or feeling, if its good it will look real. u also have to take in consideration the culture and the posture that different people will have based on society, demographics, etc.

if u cant be that observant i dont know what to say to you. i know u speak french in Quebec, my boyfriend is from there, i also know most people there dont speak english and i know that you dub the movies to french.

culture and the ambiance u grow up in does affect a person's posture and the way they express themselves, it's how u can tell japanese characters from western ones. cultural differences.... try to be more open minded about that. everyone has deifferent backgrounds, u live in a big country, people from quebec have a different posture from people from ontario. i know people from both, i know people from argentina, eastern europe, brazil, china... not from the internet, personally. people who grew up elsewhere. they are all completely different in the way they act, talk, react.

but what do i know...

First: It's really bad when you can't tell if the character have an accent until the game tells you he have one.

Second: I acting is baout feelings and all, but the society and culture doesn't change anything in voice acting. If a guy is playing a american business man, he could make a japanese business man too. The personality of the character doesn't change because of the race and culture. They will react the same. If they are sad, happy, shocked, angry, etc. They will act the same way because they have the same personality! If you were Spanish (same family, same friends, everything is the same), you'll be the same person.

Third: In Québec, we talk French, but almost everybody knows English. Why? Because we saw it everywhere. On TV (some shows are only in english), the sings are bilingual and we have English since pre school (11 years of english at school). Plus, alot of jobs require perfect bilinguals (even gamestop employees must be bilingual).

And you say that I must open my mind? You are saying that Western voices sucks, and I say the same thing about the japanese voices. At least I hate voices from one country, you hate voices from a continent (and more)!

P.S. Québec people and Ontario people are the same, they just talk english, that's the difference.

If we are going to say the same thing over and over again, let's close this discussion.

First: Nice way of completely missing the point.

Second: Just mentioning how the intonations of someone who is Japanese and one who is American English are completely different even when they portray the same emotions should be enough to point you in the right direction.  Here's me trying to make sure I don't point out your blatant ignorance in the process as much as possible.

Third: In Québec, almost everybody has a basic understanding of english (key word: basic: yes, no, toaster), the majority still can't watch and understand a movie or a videogame.  The younger generations , those born in the late 70s, the 80s and later, have a much better understanding than the rest and many are even bilingual but they are not the norm.  I don't know who you are trying to fool here.

Western voice acting works aren't on par quality-wise to the ones found in Japan (this is indeed to be taken as when talking about the norm, not the exceptions).  If you would so much as try to research your shit before posting your ignorant garbage you would know this as an established fact.  The voice acting works in the west is inconsistent quality-wise compared to Japan for many reasons (budget, actor pool (which is much smaller), budget constraints, directors, release schedule limitations, etc...), and the fact that you know next to nothing about the Japanese culture and language other than the fact that you don't like their voice pitch doesn't qualify you as a proper critique of their work, on the contrary.

 

Now concerning your stupid P.S.: Québec people and Ontario people aren't the same.  Québec people are much more whiny/complaining and self-righteous.

 

If you have nothing but ignorance, prejudices and misinformation to spit then I agree you should leave this discussion as is.

 

 

Signed: A fellow Québec citizen.

 

P.S. : In Québec, we don't talk French, we speak French.  ¬_¬

Western voice acting works aren't on par quality-wise to the ones found in Japan

Provide some source or proof and maybe you will sound more credible

 

The younger generations , those born in the late 70s, the 80s and later, have a much better understanding than the rest

Effet de l’assimilation au Québec, 1991

Anglais

Français

Autre

Origine ethnique

488 503

5 262 828

1 058 963

Langue maternelle

626 202

5 585 649

598 454

Langue d’usage

761 805

5 651 790

396 6

Sources : Statistique Canada 1993 et 1994

The english language is more strong than ever in quebec, If you would so much as try to research your shit before posting your ignorant garbage you would know this as an established fact. :)

 

Québec people are much more whiny/complaining and self-righteous.

This word is more apropriate for patriotic country like usa , russia or japan and everyone in the world whine and always complain




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im_sneaky on 29 May 2010

Slightly off-topic, but I live in Quebec and the worst part about it is the french.



 

 

Hynad on 29 May 2010
Weegee said:

Western voice acting works aren't on par quality-wise to the ones found in Japan

Provide some source or proof and maybe you will sound more credible

 

The younger generations , those born in the late 70s, the 80s and later, have a much better understanding than the rest

Effet de l’assimilation au Québec, 1991

Anglais

Français

Autre

Origine ethnique

488 503

5 262 828

1 058 963

Langue maternelle

626 202

5 585 649

598 454

Langue d’usage

761 805

5 651 790

396 6

Sources : Statistique Canada 1993 et 1994

The english language is more strong than ever in quebec, If you would so much as try to research your shit before posting your ignorant garbage you would know this as an established fact. :)

 

Québec people are much more whiny/complaining and self-righteous.

This word is more apropriate for patriotic country like usa , russia or japan and everyone in the world whine and always complain

Yes, and according to the same Statistic Canada data that you're referring to, the percentage of bilingualism for native French speaking people has stayed roughly the same since 1991.  With 36.6% of them speaking both languages as of 2001 compared to 31.3% in 1991.   One third of the population doesn't represent the norm, no matter how you want to stretch it.

Here, you want sources: http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/products/analytic/companion/lang/tables/language.cfm


The english being stronger than ever in Québec does not make it the norm, if you would so much as try to comprehend what people write before posting your shit, maybe you wouldn't put yourself in that kind of stupid situation. ;)

In fact, your stats are perfectly in accordance with what I said.  Again, they're still not illustrating the norm, nor refuting any of my claims. ^_-

Indeed, the surveys that were conducted to get to those results were asking people if they were bilingual or not.   Proofs were not required to be submitted. 

 

Also of note is the fact that the increase in native English population in the Province of Québec (mostly in Montreal) makes it seem like the native French citizens are more bilingual then they were, when the increase in ratio is mostly due to the portion of English citizens learning French and becoming bilingual in turn. Not the other way around.  The point being that, as stated before, the majority of the Province of Québec is French, and the ratio of reported bilingualism is roughly a third of that demographic, which again doesn't represent the norm or a majority.

 

 

@ I_Hate_Itagaki: That was such a cute tantrum. But sadly, it was compltely empty of any significant substance. ^_-