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So I was thinking today about the automatic updates and how cool those could be and then I thought about the people that refuse to update their PS3 so they don't lose the Other OS feature.  Usually when a system update comes out they update the EULA and you have to agree to that before you can update.  That is just how those things work and that is how those people can keep their Other OS feature.

How would this work if you had automatic updates turned on?

Would you have a checkbox to just automatically agree to any future EULA update?  If  you even could do that, why hasn't someone done that before?

If that's a no, then would automatic updates be turned off for system updates or anything else that you have to agree to the EULA?  If that's the case, then isn't the automatic update feature kind of worthless?



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I think it is just for game updates and not system updates. Do game updates require you to agree to EULA terms again? I can't remember from the last time I updated a game whether I had to or not.



nightsurge said:
I think it is just for game updates and not system updates. Do game updates require you to agree to EULA terms again? I can't remember from the last time I updated a game whether I had to or not.

I don't believe game updates generally do, but game updates generally happen when you first put in the game.

Occassionally there's an update a week or so after the game is released but 9 times out of 10 the update is already waiting for you on launch day.  That means you've never played the game so there's no reason for the automatic update on that title.



twesterm said:

So I was thinking today about the automatic updates and how cool those could be and then I thought about the people that refuse to update their PS3 so they don't lose the Other OS feature.  Usually when a system update comes out they update the EULA and you have to agree to that before you can update.  That is just how those things work and that is how those people can keep their Other OS feature.

How would this work if you had automatic updates turned on?

Would you have a checkbox to just automatically agree to any future EULA update?  If  you even could do that, why hasn't someone done that before?

If that's a no, then would automatic updates be turned off for system updates or anything else that you have to agree to the EULA?  If that's the case, then isn't the automatic update feature kind of worthless?


It's just for games. If they made the system auto update the system software, Sony would lose a great bulletpoint in the lawsuit of not technically forcing consumers to update their systems if they don't want to.



Tridrakious said:
twesterm said:

So I was thinking today about the automatic updates and how cool those could be and then I thought about the people that refuse to update their PS3 so they don't lose the Other OS feature.  Usually when a system update comes out they update the EULA and you have to agree to that before you can update.  That is just how those things work and that is how those people can keep their Other OS feature.

How would this work if you had automatic updates turned on?

Would you have a checkbox to just automatically agree to any future EULA update?  If  you even could do that, why hasn't someone done that before?

If that's a no, then would automatic updates be turned off for system updates or anything else that you have to agree to the EULA?  If that's the case, then isn't the automatic update feature kind of worthless?


It's just for games. If they made the system auto update the system software, Sony would lose a great bulletpoint in the lawsuit of not technically forcing consumers to update their systems if they don't want to.

Yeah but that goes to wondering how useful the feature would actually be.  I can think of a handful of times I've had to patch games after I bought them the rest of the time it happens when I pop in the disc.

If it were free then no worries, but if I have to pay for it, I have to wonder how much use I'd get for it.  I know it seems like I'm dogging on the PSN+ thing, I just like to think about things before I decide if I'm excited or even want it.



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twesterm said:
Tridrakious said:
twesterm said:

So I was thinking today about the automatic updates and how cool those could be and then I thought about the people that refuse to update their PS3 so they don't lose the Other OS feature.  Usually when a system update comes out they update the EULA and you have to agree to that before you can update.  That is just how those things work and that is how those people can keep their Other OS feature.

How would this work if you had automatic updates turned on?

Would you have a checkbox to just automatically agree to any future EULA update?  If  you even could do that, why hasn't someone done that before?

If that's a no, then would automatic updates be turned off for system updates or anything else that you have to agree to the EULA?  If that's the case, then isn't the automatic update feature kind of worthless?


It's just for games. If they made the system auto update the system software, Sony would lose a great bulletpoint in the lawsuit of not technically forcing consumers to update their systems if they don't want to.

Yeah but that goes to wondering how useful the feature would actually be.  I can think of a handful of times I've had to patch games after I bought them the rest of the time it happens when I pop in the disc.

If it were free then no worries, but if I have to pay for it, I have to wonder how much use I'd get for it.  I know it seems like I'm dogging on the PSN+ thing, I just like to think about things before I decide if I'm excited or even want it.

Well if you're getting PSN+ that means you've got a legit up to date PS3. So for you there is no problem.

For the PS3 Linux lovers out there (the 5 out there) they will have to update their PS3 to utilize PSN+.

And I agree I want to know what I'm getting for my hard earned money.

That's why generally I perfer one platform over having multiple systems. PS3 has paid for itself in spades. PSN+ is going to be optional as well.

No doubt Sony will use E3 to unveil everything for the new service. I expect a September launch at the earliest.

Well scratch that, this seems like something Sony could spring at the end of their conference.



Tridrakious said:
twesterm said:
Tridrakious said:
twesterm said:

So I was thinking today about the automatic updates and how cool those could be and then I thought about the people that refuse to update their PS3 so they don't lose the Other OS feature.  Usually when a system update comes out they update the EULA and you have to agree to that before you can update.  That is just how those things work and that is how those people can keep their Other OS feature.

How would this work if you had automatic updates turned on?

Would you have a checkbox to just automatically agree to any future EULA update?  If  you even could do that, why hasn't someone done that before?

If that's a no, then would automatic updates be turned off for system updates or anything else that you have to agree to the EULA?  If that's the case, then isn't the automatic update feature kind of worthless?


It's just for games. If they made the system auto update the system software, Sony would lose a great bulletpoint in the lawsuit of not technically forcing consumers to update their systems if they don't want to.

Yeah but that goes to wondering how useful the feature would actually be.  I can think of a handful of times I've had to patch games after I bought them the rest of the time it happens when I pop in the disc.

If it were free then no worries, but if I have to pay for it, I have to wonder how much use I'd get for it.  I know it seems like I'm dogging on the PSN+ thing, I just like to think about things before I decide if I'm excited or even want it.

Well if you're getting PSN+ that means you've got a legit up to date PS3. So for you there is no problem.

For the PS3 Linux lovers out there (the 5 out there) they will have to update their PS3 to utilize PSN+.

And I agree I want to know what I'm getting for my hard earned money.

That's why generally I perfer one platform over having multiple systems. PS3 has paid for itself in spades. PSN+ is going to be optional as well.

No doubt Sony will use E3 to unveil everything for the new service. I expect a September launch at the earliest.

Well scratch that, this seems like something Sony could spring at the end of their conference.

But what if say down the line they removed another feature people loved?  A year ago nobody thought Sony would actually remove Other OS but they did.  What if a year after the Automatic Updates are introduced someone found a way to hack the PS3 through the PS1 emulator and they had to remove that?



twesterm said:
Tridrakious said:
twesterm said:
Tridrakious said:
twesterm said:

So I was thinking today about the automatic updates and how cool those could be and then I thought about the people that refuse to update their PS3 so they don't lose the Other OS feature.  Usually when a system update comes out they update the EULA and you have to agree to that before you can update.  That is just how those things work and that is how those people can keep their Other OS feature.

How would this work if you had automatic updates turned on?

Would you have a checkbox to just automatically agree to any future EULA update?  If  you even could do that, why hasn't someone done that before?

If that's a no, then would automatic updates be turned off for system updates or anything else that you have to agree to the EULA?  If that's the case, then isn't the automatic update feature kind of worthless?


It's just for games. If they made the system auto update the system software, Sony would lose a great bulletpoint in the lawsuit of not technically forcing consumers to update their systems if they don't want to.

Yeah but that goes to wondering how useful the feature would actually be.  I can think of a handful of times I've had to patch games after I bought them the rest of the time it happens when I pop in the disc.

If it were free then no worries, but if I have to pay for it, I have to wonder how much use I'd get for it.  I know it seems like I'm dogging on the PSN+ thing, I just like to think about things before I decide if I'm excited or even want it.

Well if you're getting PSN+ that means you've got a legit up to date PS3. So for you there is no problem.

For the PS3 Linux lovers out there (the 5 out there) they will have to update their PS3 to utilize PSN+.

And I agree I want to know what I'm getting for my hard earned money.

That's why generally I perfer one platform over having multiple systems. PS3 has paid for itself in spades. PSN+ is going to be optional as well.

No doubt Sony will use E3 to unveil everything for the new service. I expect a September launch at the earliest.

Well scratch that, this seems like something Sony could spring at the end of their conference.

But what if say down the line they removed another feature people loved?  A year ago nobody thought Sony would actually remove Other OS but they did.  What if a year after the Automatic Updates are introduced someone found a way to hack the PS3 through the PS1 emulator and they had to remove that?

Then that'll be an actual case of removing a feature, rather than removing access to it. If that makes sense. The PS1 emulator is actually a part of the PS3, while the PSN is not, just like LIVE is not a part of the 360, while it's own emulator is actually a part of the 360.



twesterm said:
Tridrakious said:
twesterm said:
Tridrakious said:
twesterm said:

So I was thinking today about the automatic updates and how cool those could be and then I thought about the people that refuse to update their PS3 so they don't lose the Other OS feature.  Usually when a system update comes out they update the EULA and you have to agree to that before you can update.  That is just how those things work and that is how those people can keep their Other OS feature.

How would this work if you had automatic updates turned on?

Would you have a checkbox to just automatically agree to any future EULA update?  If  you even could do that, why hasn't someone done that before?

If that's a no, then would automatic updates be turned off for system updates or anything else that you have to agree to the EULA?  If that's the case, then isn't the automatic update feature kind of worthless?


It's just for games. If they made the system auto update the system software, Sony would lose a great bulletpoint in the lawsuit of not technically forcing consumers to update their systems if they don't want to.

Yeah but that goes to wondering how useful the feature would actually be.  I can think of a handful of times I've had to patch games after I bought them the rest of the time it happens when I pop in the disc.

If it were free then no worries, but if I have to pay for it, I have to wonder how much use I'd get for it.  I know it seems like I'm dogging on the PSN+ thing, I just like to think about things before I decide if I'm excited or even want it.

Well if you're getting PSN+ that means you've got a legit up to date PS3. So for you there is no problem.

For the PS3 Linux lovers out there (the 5 out there) they will have to update their PS3 to utilize PSN+.

And I agree I want to know what I'm getting for my hard earned money.

That's why generally I perfer one platform over having multiple systems. PS3 has paid for itself in spades. PSN+ is going to be optional as well.

No doubt Sony will use E3 to unveil everything for the new service. I expect a September launch at the earliest.

Well scratch that, this seems like something Sony could spring at the end of their conference.

But what if say down the line they removed another feature people loved?  A year ago nobody thought Sony would actually remove Other OS but they did.  What if a year after the Automatic Updates are introduced someone found a way to hack the PS3 through the PS1 emulator and they had to remove that?

After the heat Sony is taking now, by something as small as OtherOS. I don't think Sony would take out anything major. But you I guess we'll never know.



Akvod said:
twesterm said:
Tridrakious said:
twesterm said:
Tridrakious said:
twesterm said:

So I was thinking today about the automatic updates and how cool those could be and then I thought about the people that refuse to update their PS3 so they don't lose the Other OS feature.  Usually when a system update comes out they update the EULA and you have to agree to that before you can update.  That is just how those things work and that is how those people can keep their Other OS feature.

How would this work if you had automatic updates turned on?

Would you have a checkbox to just automatically agree to any future EULA update?  If  you even could do that, why hasn't someone done that before?

If that's a no, then would automatic updates be turned off for system updates or anything else that you have to agree to the EULA?  If that's the case, then isn't the automatic update feature kind of worthless?


It's just for games. If they made the system auto update the system software, Sony would lose a great bulletpoint in the lawsuit of not technically forcing consumers to update their systems if they don't want to.

Yeah but that goes to wondering how useful the feature would actually be.  I can think of a handful of times I've had to patch games after I bought them the rest of the time it happens when I pop in the disc.

If it were free then no worries, but if I have to pay for it, I have to wonder how much use I'd get for it.  I know it seems like I'm dogging on the PSN+ thing, I just like to think about things before I decide if I'm excited or even want it.

Well if you're getting PSN+ that means you've got a legit up to date PS3. So for you there is no problem.

For the PS3 Linux lovers out there (the 5 out there) they will have to update their PS3 to utilize PSN+.

And I agree I want to know what I'm getting for my hard earned money.

That's why generally I perfer one platform over having multiple systems. PS3 has paid for itself in spades. PSN+ is going to be optional as well.

No doubt Sony will use E3 to unveil everything for the new service. I expect a September launch at the earliest.

Well scratch that, this seems like something Sony could spring at the end of their conference.

But what if say down the line they removed another feature people loved?  A year ago nobody thought Sony would actually remove Other OS but they did.  What if a year after the Automatic Updates are introduced someone found a way to hack the PS3 through the PS1 emulator and they had to remove that?

Then that'll be an actual case of removing a feature, rather than removing access to it. If that makes sense. The PS1 emulator is actually a part of the PS3, while the PSN is not, just like LIVE is not a part of the 360, while it's own emulator is actually a part of the 360.

....No it wouldn't.

They would just remove the PS1 emulation in the same way they removed Other OS.  Do it or you don't get PSN.

Oh yeah... and you can't play any new PS3 games.   Which you know.  The Other OS update did.  Cut people off from any newly released PS3 games.  (See Red Dead redemption)