I'm not talking about the dinky racing game.  I'm talking about the real Kirby game.  You know, the one that was CANCELED.   Also, what was the GC's user base when Air Ride sold what it did?  Higher than 6m I assume?

I ignored your point about developers not stopping game making because not all developers that make a single Wii game will go on to make more Wii games.  They might actually make 360 or, heaven forbid, PS3 games.

If your prediction about Nintendo having more studios than ever before, I can only pity the 3rd parties that have to compete against Nintendo on its own console.


I also agree that Mario Party 8 is crap.  Is it really a good thing it sold well or could it possibly an indication that Wii owners will buy any crap with Mario's face on it Nintendo makes?  If it's the latter, I can only imagine the future that lays down that path.

And how long was the Gamecube out when the Kirby game and Mario Party 8?  How long of a time period are we talking about as well?  If you are comparing sales over 2-3 years for a game cube game, then of course it should be higher then most PS3 games that have been out for at most 1 year.

 Comparing apples and oranges my friend.   

 Also, how have most 3rd parties sold on the Wii thus far?  That could hinder some titles from coming to the wii for that reason alone.   Also, there will be many games that 3rd parties will want to make, but the wii will be unable to give a great experience due to the lack of power in the wii or controller difficulties (as in being very awkward or watered down gameplay to make it work) in comparison to the PS3 and 360.

 When it comes to many of these video game companies they are filled with IT geeks like me.  They don't always want to do what others were doing 5 years ago as far as quality, they wan tto push the envelope and make the most impressive technical game ever.  One that blows away the others in terms of graphics, gameplay, entertainment, replayability.   Those that want to stick to the status quo, well, they will soon find themselves way behind the 8 ball and not able to catch up to the Naughty Dogs or insomniacs when it comes to gorgeous games that perform wonderfully and are lots of fun.  

The dev's won't stop producing games on the PS3, especially if sales continue as they have recently for the PS3.

Handhelds are completely different then a console would be.   Most people wouldn't want to pay $200 or more for a handheld that they may play occassionally.   But for a console, that is the workhorse for gaming and prices can afford to be higher in that aspect. Mostly because gamers will use it far more often then they would a handheld.    The Wii is above that "mass market" target you stated and it's still selling very well.  Heck, it's selling better then the PS2 was when it was at the $200-250 price point. 

 Of course, if I could buy a PS3 for $1, I'm sure they'd sell a billion of them at $1.  I'm just stating that the impulse target price point is no longer under $200.

Once a console hits that sweet spot of 200 it clears up a lot quicker then you think. As for the Wii being a "Buy as well" console. Got any evidence on that? Or any evidence in general that says the "Most consumers only buy 1 console" rule of thumb is going to be broken? Or is it just wishful thinking?

As for RROD... it doesn't really seem to have effective consumer purchasing habits yet, so why would it start now, when the problem has been reduced and will likely continue to be reduced by improving on the design?  Once again you are basing your opinion on wishful thinking and not evidence or numbers.

So you are simaltaniously argueing that the Wii won't be getting any really big games AND that the Wii will be getting so many big games from it's more development studios then ever that third parties won't be able to compete.

Are you actually trying to prove a point here or do you just want to say negative things about the Wii because Naz doesn't think the PS3 will reach mass market prices?

Weren't Wii fans touting the Wii60 concept Microsoft was pushing not too long ago? How quickly "wii" forget. How many forum members here own a Wii AND a 360/PS3? Or have plans to buy the one they don't have?

RRoD... is Microsoft still counting the refurbs as new sales? Thought I heard that somewhere. Don't tell me you haven't seen stories of people who have gotten frustrated with their 360s and decided to go get a PS3 due to all the problems? I bet this forum even has a few.

I find it strange for one with 33 posts to be an expert on forum members at VG Chartz (and on subjects we've had threads about within the last month-broken 360=>new PS3).

Long time reader first time poster or something else I wonder.

Either way, the Wii alone is a perfectly satisfactory console. You lack actual numbers to prove otherwise.

Ah. I see where your mistake lies. You are taking forum goers as an average sample of the game buying populous. When in reality. The people who go to forums and online sites like this are in the vast majority and much more predisposed to buy more then one console in the first place.

 Well other then the Fanboys. I plan to have a PS3, 360 and Wii at the end of this generation for the complete gaming expierence. Yet I'm not your typical gamer. 

Forums just arn't representative of the general populace.

Also... It took long enough. 1636 posts before someone accused me of being a fanboy of a system even if it was rather vague.

I don't know if I should be happy it took that long, or insulted that i have so many posts and nobody had accused me of being a fanboy before. Edit: There was a gameube Kirby game? I must of missed that like I did the Yoshi N64 game. Probably spent too much time on PS1 and PS2 to notice. Either way, Mario Kart is all I needed for that generations Kart racing style games.

Mario Party 8 is a Wii game, and it sold 2.79 million copies to date and will easily break 3 million.  Kirby's Air Ride was released in July of 2003.  The Gamecube had sold 8.8 million units worldwide at that point.  So yeah, more than the PS3, but that doesn't stop the game from being successful.

3rd party games have actually been very successful on the Wii so far.  There are 3 TP million sellers on a system with low development costs and many more games with over .5m units sold which is easily within profit range on the Wii with its dev costs.  

On the other hand, all estimates say TP games need to sell over 1 million on the PS3 to make money, and none have. Although Assassin's Creed and CoD4 will be the first 2 to do so.   The Wii's 3rd party software sales aren't particularly impressive, but they are more than reasonable and with the high userbase and low dev costs it's not surprising it's an appealing system for 3rd parties. 

Also, considering Naughty Dog and Insomniac just made games that were not very successful at all, I'm pretty sure third parties don't want to emulate them right now.  If devs were tech whores all games last gen would have been on the GC and Xbox and all games before that on the N64.  Devs are money whores.