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Soriku said:
Kasz216 said:

Bombing the dictator would be an act of terrorism....


True, but I'd say that's one time where it can be justified...just as long as you're not killing a bunch of uninvolved people as well.

So you think that killing people is bad even if it saves more in the long-run?



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Soriku said:
Kasz216 said:

Bombing the dictator would be an act of terrorism....


True, but I'd say that's one time where it can be justified...just as long as you're not killing a bunch of uninvolved people as well.

Well, you've just found something you've agreed with when it comes to terrorism then, huh?   Assassnations of despots. 



Soriku

You realize your answer to the topic question is now "yes"



Soriku said:
Khuutra said:
Soriku

You realize your answer to the topic question is now "yes"

Well I still don't think stuff like resorting to terrorism to kill a dictator or whatever is a super awesome deed or anything. The good thing is that I can agree with terrorists in some cases but I can still counter. More often than not though, the stuff about resorting to terrorism for a dictator doesn't really seem to happen much and really all we hear about terrorism is the fact that some dudes are obmbing up places like Time Square or train stations or whatever. It's easier to find evidence of that stuff.

I've already written 2 pages and I don't wanna redo it :P

But you still agree that terrorism can be justified? (remember: freedom fighters are just terrorists that we like)



Soriku said:
Khuutra said:
Soriku said:
Khuutra said:
Soriku

You realize your answer to the topic question is now "yes"

Well I still don't think stuff like resorting to terrorism to kill a dictator or whatever is a super awesome deed or anything. The good thing is that I can agree with terrorists in some cases but I can still counter. More often than not though, the stuff about resorting to terrorism for a dictator doesn't really seem to happen much and really all we hear about terrorism is the fact that some dudes are obmbing up places like Time Square or train stations or whatever. It's easier to find evidence of that stuff.

I've already written 2 pages and I don't wanna redo it :P

But you still agree that terrorism can be justified? (remember: freedom fighters are just terrorists that we like)


Sure. But there aren't enough realistic cases where it is; it's mostly fiction stuff...

You'd never hold up in a trial, you know that?



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Soriku said:
Khuutra said:

But you still agree that terrorism can be justified? (remember: freedom fighters are just terrorists that we like)

Sure. But there aren't enough realistic cases where it is; it's mostly fiction stuff...

That says more about your lack of perspective than anything: again, I poit you to the French resistance to Nazi occupation during World War II. Those guys knew how to terrorize.

Also look at certain acts of violence that occurred during the Civil Rights movement.

Also look at Mr. Nelson Mandela

You can't write a good essay if you're not willing to do the research!



Soriku said:
Khuutra said:

That says more about your lack of perspective than anything: again, I poit you to the French resistance to Nazi occupation during World War II. Those guys knew how to terrorize.

Also look at certain acts of violence that occurred during the Civil Rights movement.

Also look at Mr. Nelson Mandela

You can't write a good essay if you're not willing to do the research!


OK, I realize there's two sides I can take that are both valid. But more often than not, terrorism is bad. I'll still do the research on those guys for a concession; after all I do need things I can agree with.

You know maybe I'll reword things differently in my essay to make things more neutral for the people you just listed but if I'm talking about Bin Laden then you know I can't agree with that.

Except that the essay isn't asking you about specific acts of terrorism, it's asking if terrorism can be justified. There is no "balance" here: it's a yes or no question. If you can name situations in which it can be justified, then your answer is yes, regardless of the actions of any particular organization and whether or not you agree with them.

If you say "terrorism can't be justified. Except for blah blah blah blah blah. Here is why terrorism can't be justified, ignoring everything I just said:" then it is a bad essay.



Soriku said:
Khuutra said:

Except that the essay isn't asking you about specific acts of terrorism, it's asking if terrorism can be justified. There is no "balance" here: it's a yes or no question. If you can name situations in which it can be justified, then your answer is yes, regardless of the actions of any particular organization and whether or not you agree with them.

If you say "terrorism can't be justified. Except for blah blah blah blah blah. Here is why terrorism can't be justified, ignoring everything I just said:" then it is a bad essay.

OK.

I still don't want to say yes though. If I can make a solid essay saying no then that's all I need.

I thought you just demonstrated that a "no" conclusion is anything but solid.



Soriku said:
Khuutra said:

I thought you just demonstrated that a "no" conclusion is anything but solid.

 

Yes, but terrorism isn't always a means to an end. What if the terrorist can't accomplish their goal and ends up killing people (without necessarily meaning to) for a good cause but fails in the end? Is it worth it then?

Actually what I just said could work in my essay too...I have too many ideas. I still need to write 2-3 more pages so this is good...

You're focusing on specific instances, trying to come up with scenarios where it isn't justified. That's not what the essay is asking.

But all right; I'll leave you be about it. When you get your grade back, let me know what your instructor says, I am curious.



Soriku said:
Khuutra said:
You're focusing on specific instances, trying to come up with scenarios where it isn't justified. That's not what the essay is asking.
But all right; I'll leave you be about it. When you get your grade back, let me know what your instructor says, I am curious.

Well, you're right, but...IDK. Maybe I might say yes since it says ever...not always. This essay isn't due for another 5 days.
If I say yes, what would be 3 good prongs?

Well, of course. 
"Can terrorism ever be justified?"
and
"Can terrorism always be justified?"
are two completely different questions.  If that's what the hangup was, then I think you're past it as long as you remember this. 

I don't know if assassination is terrorism, though.  I thought that terrorism was violence that makes people do what you want through fear (threat of more violence until they do); whereas assassination just directly destroys the target.  Unless it's like "we're going to keep assassinating people until our policy goal is met" which is back to terrorism.  If it's one specific leader you want dead, and you kill him, does it count as terrorism? 



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