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I predict down-loadable PS2 games on PSN after the discontinuation of the PS2 console, this will be in 2011. Large Budget games like FFX and MGS3 to be priced ~$15 USD.

OT: There won't ever be a wii emulator on PS3 since the HW is too different from the PC hardware. Even with familiar PC HW, emulation on it isn't exactly perfect even if most games are "playable".



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KingKold said:
zarx said:

aw sorry man, the 10x faster thing is just a rule of thumb it's not always true sometimes you can do it with less but you usually don't get 100% accurate emulation. Wait thats bad for the thread to ummm ok Teh Cell breaks all laws of computing and allows mad emulation skillz to be utilized to emulate the Wii. Wait that sounds insincere ok how about this, stranger things can happen...

 

no that doesn't sound like it will spur more discussion ether well then, lets try something else I will make statements that will draw people in to argue with me then.

the PS3 weaker than the X360.

God of war 3 looks ugly. 

the Wii has no hardcore games.

The Wii has more games games for real hardcore gamers than the suck box 360 and the play 'n' Suck 3

Wii sports is a better game than Uncharted 2 because I said so and people only buy good games and Wii sports sold more.

Motion controls are the future of gaming.

Natal is just an eyetoy.

Fable 3 is the best game ever because peter molyneux told me so.

All Wii gamers are graphics whores as seen by the fact that they are not playing on pong consoles.

Casual is the future of gaming.

 

there that should do it...

I agree with all those points!

well the jokes on you then because they are all lies and you are wrong.

and you can't prove that they are not lies lol.

I mean just try it and I will prove you WRONG!



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zarx said:
KingKold said:
zarx said:

aw sorry man, the 10x faster thing is just a rule of thumb it's not always true sometimes you can do it with less but you usually don't get 100% accurate emulation. Wait thats bad for the thread to ummm ok Teh Cell breaks all laws of computing and allows mad emulation skillz to be utilized to emulate the Wii. Wait that sounds insincere ok how about this, stranger things can happen...

 

no that doesn't sound like it will spur more discussion ether well then, lets try something else I will make statements that will draw people in to argue with me then.

the PS3 weaker than the X360.

God of war 3 looks ugly. 

the Wii has no hardcore games.

The Wii has more games games for real hardcore gamers than the suck box 360 and the play 'n' Suck 3

Wii sports is a better game than Uncharted 2 because I said so and people only buy good games and Wii sports sold more.

Motion controls are the future of gaming.

Natal is just an eyetoy.

Fable 3 is the best game ever because peter molyneux told me so.

All Wii gamers are graphics whores as seen by the fact that they are not playing on pong consoles.

Casual is the future of gaming.

 

there that should do it...

I agree with all those points!

well the jokes on you then because they are all lies and you are wrong.

and you can't prove that they are not lies lol.

I mean just try it and I will prove you WRONG!

uh? wait wha..?

Stop confusing me okay?

Fair enough, some of the statements may be not entirely true. Most of them are opinions I rather not discuss.

I know you can prove wrong ... hell, even I can prove me wrong!

But just let me believe this, and be happy :)



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zarx said:

the problem with that is the different CPU architecture, it is easy to virtualize a PC OS in another PC OS because the hardware is the same. WINE is not an emulator it is an abstraction layer it just emulates software not the hardware. The X360 uses a 3 core IBM RISC chip were as PC's use 86X based CISC CPUs the easy of porting from PC to x360 is more to do with the dev tools that microsoft provide as they are very much the same as PC tools (DirectX, debugers etc). The PS3 uses a Cell processor that has 1 RISC core of the same type as the 360 cores and 7 "synergistic processing elements" that are not full CPU cores they are closer to co-processors (or GPU stream processors) while the Cell does have a lot more compute power but that is more to do with parallelization than raw speed which is important in emulation. 

as a rule to emulate a CPU properly you need a CPU ~10x faster than the one you are emulating, it is different when emulating a modern GPU. that is why a Wii emulator wouldn't work as the Wii CPU is reportedly clocked at 729 Mhz while the Cell is clocked at reportedly clocked at 3.2Ghz only ~4x faster the Cells parallel power doesn't really help. the PS2 has a 299Mhz CPU but has 2 co-processors the Cell would be better suited to emulating.


Actually it would be fairly straight forward for the PS3 to emulate the Wii. The biggest problem is gaining access to the Move libraries and porting them for use with the Wiimote. The PPC core in the PS3 is just an evolved version of the PPC core in the Wii so it would not be difficult for it to run the same programs as they would share most if not all of the same instructions. Infact it would probably be easier to emulate the Wii than the PS2 because the PS2 has a very unique architecture and the PS3 cannot match it for memory bandwidth which makes emulation more difficult.



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FantasySky said:
Serious_frusting said:
The PS3 isnt strong enough to emulate the Wii. The Wii is a gamecubeX2

The gamecube is stronger then the PS2 and the PS3 is having trouble emulating that so

LOOOOOOL!!!!! the ps3 could easily handle 10 ps2 games at once (and im not over exagerating). the ps2 feature was not build very well into the ps3 thats why they had probems. then they took it out to reduce the cost of it. and the ps2 was stornger than the gamecube by quite alot actualy :P

Totally, that's why RE4 on PS2 used pre-rendered movies for cutscenes when the less powerful gamecube was forced to use real-time cutscenes. It even had the drawback that they were forced to use the same costume in the GC cutscenes that he was wearing in the game instead of having his nice jacket .

edit: NOT over exagerating? Oh, the irony.



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Squilliam said:
zarx said:

the problem with that is the different CPU architecture, it is easy to virtualize a PC OS in another PC OS because the hardware is the same. WINE is not an emulator it is an abstraction layer it just emulates software not the hardware. The X360 uses a 3 core IBM RISC chip were as PC's use 86X based CISC CPUs the easy of porting from PC to x360 is more to do with the dev tools that microsoft provide as they are very much the same as PC tools (DirectX, debugers etc). The PS3 uses a Cell processor that has 1 RISC core of the same type as the 360 cores and 7 "synergistic processing elements" that are not full CPU cores they are closer to co-processors (or GPU stream processors) while the Cell does have a lot more compute power but that is more to do with parallelization than raw speed which is important in emulation. 

as a rule to emulate a CPU properly you need a CPU ~10x faster than the one you are emulating, it is different when emulating a modern GPU. that is why a Wii emulator wouldn't work as the Wii CPU is reportedly clocked at 729 Mhz while the Cell is clocked at reportedly clocked at 3.2Ghz only ~4x faster the Cells parallel power doesn't really help. the PS2 has a 299Mhz CPU but has 2 co-processors the Cell would be better suited to emulating.


Actually it would be fairly straight forward for the PS3 to emulate the Wii. The biggest problem is gaining access to the Move libraries and porting them for use with the Wiimote. The PPC core in the PS3 is just an evolved version of the PPC core in the Wii so it would not be difficult for it to run the same programs as they would share most if not all of the same instructions. Infact it would probably be easier to emulate the Wii than the PS2 because the PS2 has a very unique architecture and the PS3 cannot match it for memory bandwidth which makes emulation more difficult.

While it is true they are both derived from the same line of CPUs both are heavily modified so they are probably not similar enough for the Cell to act as a Wii CPU at least not without low level programming (not something your average homebrew developer would be able to do without a dev kit at least) and the ability to downclock the PPC to 729Mhz. Running faster any games that require specific timings from the CPU wouldn't run properly if at all (more it has been optimised for the hardware more likely this is) and running faster would break most games anyway, aditionaly the speed and amount of cache etc would also cause problems if not managed correctly. The Wii has other quirks like the the memory architecture and the way the Wii's GPU works would mean that it would still be nearly impossible to get an emulator compatible with a handful of games on the PS3.



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Netyaroze said:

A Wii emulator could be done on the PS3 and also on the 360. The Wii is not a little slower its a whole gen behind technically. 5-6 years. Wii is technically on 1999 Level. And PS3 and Xbox on 2005-2006 Level.

Stop talking like you know anything about computers.

 

Bamboleo said:
@ severance

It cannot "make" wii games go 1080p

The emulator just upscales it, which makes everything more crispy, nor properly better graphics

Dolphin can render wii games at 1080, thats just as 1080p as any PS3 game.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

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sieanr said:
Netyaroze said:

A Wii emulator could be done on the PS3 and also on the 360. The Wii is not a little slower its a whole gen behind technically. 5-6 years. Wii is technically on 1999 Level. And PS3 and Xbox on 2005-2006 Level.

Stop talking like you know anything about computers.

 

Bamboleo said:
@ severance

It cannot "make" wii games go 1080p

The emulator just upscales it, which makes everything more crispy, nor properly better graphics

Dolphin can render wii games at 1080, thats just as 1080p as any PS3 game.

 

What exactly is your problem ? I havent said anything wrong. 800mhz and 128mb computers were out in 1999. Edit: Ok I give you the point that Wiis architecture is stronger then the 1999 Computers measured in GFLOPS but 2001 Computer could do everything what the WII can.

The Wii offers approximatly 10.5 GFLOPS to the developer and the Cell as found in the PS3 has (double precision) 80GFlops plus RSX it is about ten times more powerful then the Wii. And an Emulation could be done technically and btw the difference is not quite a whole gen but almost so you cant complain about my posts since its right. 

 



sieanr said:
Netyaroze said:

A Wii emulator could be done on the PS3 and also on the 360. The Wii is not a little slower its a whole gen behind technically. 5-6 years. Wii is technically on 1999 Level. And PS3 and Xbox on 2005-2006 Level.

Stop talking like you know anything about computers.

 

Bamboleo said:
@ severance

It cannot "make" wii games go 1080p

The emulator just upscales it, which makes everything more crispy, nor properly better graphics

Dolphin can render wii games at 1080, thats just as 1080p as any PS3 game.

I think you are wrong. Sorry if I'm mistaken, but the emulator acts as a simple upscaler.

That doesn't mean more detailed textures and better lighting effects, like in the HD consoles.



One issue I could see is a possible reality that Nintendo would force Sony to brick any PS3s with a Wii emulator on it, or shoot out an update that makes the wii emulator not work at all.



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