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oldschoolfool on 05 May 2010

I'm going to have to force myself to watch this movie. 2hrs+ is going to be hard. I hate watching movies that long.



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Kasz216 on 06 May 2010
Khuutra said:
twesterm said:
Khuutra said:

Now this isn't true. The one thing that Cameron did was figure out the logistics of the military-industrial operation.

It costs an enormous amount of money to transport anything from Earth to Pandora - I think it's in the rannge of hundreds of thousand of dollars per pound. All the machinery you see outside of the drop ship is manufactured on-site using ra materials mined from Pandora. The oly things they bring are stuff they absolutely have to, like microchips that can't be produced in that environment, or explosives that would be necessary for mining.

They didn't use orbital bombardment because they didn't bing the necessary weapons payload for i, because doing so would have been prohibitively expensive. That part made perfect sense.

That makes sense except in the final battle they have that giant flying ship and like 100 little ships.  They could have built 10 tiny ships and 1 medium ship that can all fly high and then used the rest of that space for weapon materials.

They make it painfully obvious during the movie that the mineral is worth the cost so, again, evil corporation would do everything they could to protect their investment.  They would not fight fair therefore they would make weapons the Navi would never see coming.

It's much cheaper in every sense to make 10 missiles that fire from a remote location than 100 of those little flying machines.  Hell, instead of paying to transport and sustain those 100's of military personal, they could have used all those resources to transport weapons and weapon materials.  I think it's a safe assumption to assume that 1 missle costs less to transport than 1 human.

The ships were manufactured on site except for the big one! And they didn't have facilities to produce the chemicals necessary for making weapons!

And actually, it's pretty clar by the end that mining the unobtainium is no longer cost-effective.

And no, it's not a safe assumptin at all - how much do you think one of those missiles weighs? As a guess.


Wait wait wait...

they named it Unobtanium?  That's just silly... and a giant spoiler for pretty much anybody with any common sense. 



Kasz216 on 06 May 2010

I gotta say I'm with Twesterm too... while major colonial forces almost always did try to educate people first...(I'm looking you Cortez) they also made sure to bring a lot of gunpowder with them in case that didn't work.


They definitly should of brought some kind of chemical or biological weapon... or at least some smallpocks blankets.  Things are ridiculiously cost effective... it's partially why they are illegal.

It's not like major corporations haven't done if before.

I mean heck, in the real world corporations just outright contract kill people, hire armies to kill groups of people they don't like and sell equipment to people with full use and knowledge that said equipment will be used to help in a genoicde... and real corporations aren't even portrayed as evil.

If everything goes bad... just unleash a bio-weapon to destory everything, and then bring in some scientists who are on your side... and have them claim it was caused by the Flu... or some other harmless earth disease that was catastrophic for their planet.  By the time anybody nuetral gets their to investigate... all signs of it would be gone.

Plus, to me... these "Save the enviroment/corporations are evil" movies are always more powerful when everyone unites, tries to stop them... seemingly win but then get beat down in the end. 

Happy endings really just breed complacency.



Khuutra on 06 May 2010
Kasz216 said:
Khuutra said:

The ships were manufactured on site except for the big one! And they didn't have facilities to produce the chemicals necessary for making weapons!

And actually, it's pretty clar by the end that mining the unobtainium is no longer cost-effective.

And no, it's not a safe assumptin at all - how much do you think one of those missiles weighs? As a guess.


Wait wait wait...

they named it Unobtanium?  That's just silly... and a giant spoiler for pretty much anybody with any common sense. 

Actually it's a pretty common element in science fiction and thought experiments:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium

They also did bring a standing army and enough guns and explosives to utterly wipe out the body of the Na'vi in the area where they lived. They were prepared to kill them if things went bad! That is what happens. It's what that awesome final 45 minutes of explosions and wild animals was based on.

And making a chemical weapon for an alien biology is probably harder than you would think - like I said, it's only the second trip to Pandora, and they may not be affected by terrestrial viruses at all. And don't they breathe cyanide?



KingFate on 06 May 2010

I agree 100% with that Kasz. The biggest complaint I have with happy endings is that they don't challenge the viewer in anyway.



PSN ID: KingFate_

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twesterm on 06 May 2010
Khuutra said:
Kasz216 said:
Khuutra said:

The ships were manufactured on site except for the big one! And they didn't have facilities to produce the chemicals necessary for making weapons!

And actually, it's pretty clar by the end that mining the unobtainium is no longer cost-effective.

And no, it's not a safe assumptin at all - how much do you think one of those missiles weighs? As a guess.


Wait wait wait...

they named it Unobtanium?  That's just silly... and a giant spoiler for pretty much anybody with any common sense. 

Actually it's a pretty common element in science fiction and thought experiments:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium

They also did bring a standing army and enough guns and explosives to utterly wipe out the body of the Na'vi in the area where they lived. They were prepared to kill them if things went bad! That is what happens. It's what that awesome final 45 minutes of explosions and wild animals was based on.

And making a chemical weapon for an alien biology is probably harder than you would think - like I said, it's only the second trip to Pandora, and they may not be affected by terrestrial viruses at all. And don't they breathe cyanide?

If we could grow a Navi in a tank I assume we could also figure out how to kill one.  Figuring out how to kill stuff is the easy part.



 

KingFate on 06 May 2010
twesterm said:

If we could grow a Navi in a tank I assume we could also figure out how to kill one.  Figuring out how to kill stuff is the easy part.

You obviously never heard of inter-species erotica!



PSN ID: KingFate_

luisgvm on 06 May 2010
mirgro said:
I saw this in 3D, and was left wanting. Maybe I didn't do something right, because the only amazing scenes in #d were the little ashes of the tree floating around, that lasted a minute, and when the colonel was jumping off his crashing plane, which was just a few seconds.

My brother who is much younger than me also agreed on this part, the #d was not even mildly amazing, and it was 7 bucks wasted.

This is probably Cameron's shittiest movie.

i agree!. i mean in my opinion avatar in 3d was lame!. the only 3d stuff i saw was at the beggining when the dude is in the huge ship and wake up and there are little bubbles in front of him. it was my first movie in 3d. and i am dissapointed!. jejeje. but overall. i liked it.



Mistershine on 06 May 2010
Khuutra said:
Kasz216 said:
Khuutra said:

The ships were manufactured on site except for the big one! And they didn't have facilities to produce the chemicals necessary for making weapons!

And actually, it's pretty clar by the end that mining the unobtainium is no longer cost-effective.

And no, it's not a safe assumptin at all - how much do you think one of those missiles weighs? As a guess.


Wait wait wait...

they named it Unobtanium?  That's just silly... and a giant spoiler for pretty much anybody with any common sense. 

Actually it's a pretty common element in science fiction and thought experiments:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium

They also did bring a standing army and enough guns and explosives to utterly wipe out the body of the Na'vi in the area where they lived. They were prepared to kill them if things went bad! That is what happens. It's what that awesome final 45 minutes of explosions and wild animals was based on.

And making a chemical weapon for an alien biology is probably harder than you would think - like I said, it's only the second trip to Pandora, and they may not be affected by terrestrial viruses at all. And don't they breathe cyanide?


Is there a director's cut?? The version I saw didn't have the awesome bit.