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The UK 2010 Election Thread- Who will/would get your vote?

Conservative - David Cameron 19 32.20%
 
Labour - Gordon Brown 11 18.64%
 
Liberal Democrats - Nick Clegg 22 37.29%
 
Other Party (Green/UKIP/Etc) 5 8.47%
 
Undecided 2 3.39%
 
Total:59
Scruff7 on 23 April 2010
FootballFan said:
CrazyHorse said:
FootballFan said:
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Carl2291 said:
I was just sent a joke... Kinda goes well with what i posted above.


"Many centuries ago St. George, a Turk, was made the patron saint of England.

A lot has changed since then, but England still treats illegal immigrants better than its own citizens."


Thats not a joke....Thats in the Liberal Democrats manifesto

Except it's not really is it.


Not exactly. However, it does specify that criminals who have violated our borders have the right to remain citizens of this country without arrest.

Not sure it says that either to be honest. What it does say is that the Lib Dems will

"Prioritise deportation efforts on criminals, people-traffickers and other high-priority cases" so pretty much the exact opposite of what you're claiming.

They do say that those who haven't broken the law, have been here for longer than 10 years and speak english will be allowed to stay and work. Seems a good idea to me.

How about the amnesty they would want to grant to illegal immigrants? The key word being illegal (broken the law) preventing law abiding migrants who have been refused into the UK places. 

The problem is, those people who are here illegally, many for years and years, have not choice but to go into crime as they can't work anywhere else.

It therefore helps organised crime and prevents them from actually contributing to society, they can't even pay taxes, when many of them speak English fluently and want to contribute.

However, i do agree with Gordon Brown, it would give the wrong impression that UK is open to all immigrants. The points based system to only allow people in with the skills we need is the best system, and it is working, and the Lib Dem idea of regionalising that process also seems solid.

The Conservative cap proposal is just awful, badly thought out and totally impractical.



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CrazyHorse on 23 April 2010
FootballFan said:
CrazyHorse said:
FootballFan said:
CrazyHorse said:
FootballFan said:
Carl2291 said:
I was just sent a joke... Kinda goes well with what i posted above.


"Many centuries ago St. George, a Turk, was made the patron saint of England.

A lot has changed since then, but England still treats illegal immigrants better than its own citizens."


Thats not a joke....Thats in the Liberal Democrats manifesto

Except it's not really is it.


Not exactly. However, it does specify that criminals who have violated our borders have the right to remain citizens of this country without arrest.

Not sure it says that either to be honest. What it does say is that the Lib Dems will

"Prioritise deportation efforts on criminals, people-traffickers and other high-priority cases" so pretty much the exact opposite of what you're claiming.

They do say that those who haven't broken the law, have been here for longer than 10 years and speak english will be allowed to stay and work. Seems a good idea to me.

How about the amnesty they would want to grant to illegal immigrants? The key word being illegal (broken the law) preventing law abiding migrants who have been refused into the UK places. 

Well you have 2 options there. Either do as the Lib Dems propose and allow those who haven't commited any crimes (other than entry into the country) and speak english to remain here legally, work and contribute to the economy. The alternative is to leave them where they are and pretend the problem doesn't exist. Don't get me wrong, it's hardly a perfect solution but it seems to be the best option there is. Would you disagree?



CrazyHorse on 23 April 2010
Scruff7 said:
CrazyHorse said:
FootballFan said:
Carl2291 said:
I was just sent a joke... Kinda goes well with what i posted above.


"Many centuries ago St. George, a Turk, was made the patron saint of England.

A lot has changed since then, but England still treats illegal immigrants better than its own citizens."


Thats not a joke....Thats in the Liberal Democrats manifesto

Except it's not really is it.

This is what i love about the Conservative campaign strategy - "broken Britain! Immigration! Crime! Disaster!" and then blame the other parties for creating Fear!

What a bunch of jokers - they're still the same old Tories. They've got it wrong one everything, ignore the facts, don't have any good ideas and then try and scare the pubic into voting for them.

It's absolutely pathetic seeing the bile and lies thrown about by the right wing press this week but then again they've been able to ignore the Lib Dems for the past few decades and that's something they can't do this time.

Also, completely agree with you on the immigration cap. A very poorly thought out policy and completely unnecessary when a points based system is in place.



Scruff7 on 23 April 2010
CrazyHorse said:
Scruff7 said:
CrazyHorse said:
FootballFan said:
Carl2291 said:
I was just sent a joke... Kinda goes well with what i posted above.


"Many centuries ago St. George, a Turk, was made the patron saint of England.

A lot has changed since then, but England still treats illegal immigrants better than its own citizens."


Thats not a joke....Thats in the Liberal Democrats manifesto

Except it's not really is it.

This is what i love about the Conservative campaign strategy - "broken Britain! Immigration! Crime! Disaster!" and then blame the other parties for creating Fear!

What a bunch of jokers - they're still the same old Tories. They've got it wrong one everything, ignore the facts, don't have any good ideas and then try and scare the pubic into voting for them.

It's absolutely pathetic seeing the bile and lies thrown about by the right wing press this week but then again they've been able to ignore the Lib Dems for the past few decades and that's something they can't do this time.

Also, completely agree with you on the immigration cap. A very poorly thought out policy and completely unnecessary when a points based system is in place.

Astonoshing wasn't it? How the Murdoch press rabidly turned on the Lib Dems the day of the second debate, with the most outrageous and unsubstantiated half truths. I'm not a LibDem voter, but i was astounded at how they all turned on Nick Clegg - just shows how biased they are.

i really hope it goes against them, everyoe who watched the 2 debates so far have formed their opinion, only to see the press scream almost exactly the opposite - it can only harm their credibility.

Excellent article here on the Murdoch grip slipping on the British public perceptions: http://www.newser.com/off-the-grid/post/448/will-murdoch-lose-britain.html



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bazmeistergen on 23 April 2010

Baa Baa Black sheep WAS NOT banned that was made up by The Sun. One school sang Baa Baa Rainbow sheep instead once.

Leicester will celebrate St George's Day because the population is more Indian than somewhere like Bradford, which is having a panic attack, I guess.



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bazmeistergen on 23 April 2010
Carl2291 said:
I was just sent a joke... Kinda goes well with what i posted above.


"Many centuries ago St. George, a Turk, was made the patron saint of England.

A lot has changed since then, but England still treats illegal immigrants better than its own citizens."

Cos many British nationals are given food stamps as handouts.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 23 April 2010
Kantor said:
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FIRSTLY I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I DONT AGREE WITH ANY OF THE VIEWS OF THIS PARTY. I JUST THINK IT IS "RIGHT" TO INCLUDE THEM AS THEY ARE A POLITICAL PARTY WITHIN THE UK.

 

No, thanks. I'd rather not be conversing with somebody who, knowing the facts about them, would still support that racist joke of a party. Not you, of course.


Frankly speeking this party should never when in an election. So this is what the world is turnning into. Hey i didn't know the teaparty went to Great Britain.!

I'm guessing you mean "win" rather than "when".

They're not going to win any elections any time soon. They won't get a single seat in parliament, and you can quote me on that.


yes i did mean win. ill go fix that.



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SciFiBoy on 24 April 2010

on the who to vote for thing:

Liberal Democrats: 71%
Green Party: 66%
Labour Party: 59%
Conservative Party: 28%

not a very good test tbh, nowhere near enough questions to give a clear view



SciFiBoy on 24 April 2010

second test is much, much better imo (http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey)

* Green Party 77.78%
* Lib Dems 22.22%


Crime – Green Party
Democracy – Green Party
Economy – Green Party
Education – Green Party
Environment – Green Party
Europe – Lib Dems
Health / NHS – Green Party
Immigration – Lib Dems
Welfare – Green Party



Rath on 24 April 2010

Labour 33%
Greens 33%
Lib Dems 22%
Tories 11%