Is the RROD problem gone in newly produced consoles?

Videogirl said:

kn said:

Every RROD I've recently read about was from an older console. I suspect the problem with newer consoles will be quite uncommon. I posted the thread in another thread and you can try to hunt it down, but the gist of it was this: The falcon has a 65nm CPU (vs. 90mm). It draws less power and produces less heat. The GPU is also smaller but from the dissection, the person couldn't tell if it was also a 60nm or a half-shrink from 90 to 80nm. It was definitely smaller, though. There is an additional heat sink to pull heat off of the GPU and the x-clamp has been replaced by 4 screws at each corner. I highly doubt that there will be much failure (no more than standard failure rates of like electronics) of the system with these fixes in place. Keep in mind that the second most common problem was the DVD drive failing for some reason or another. You may recall an article where Microsoft changed vendors to Lite-on and had placed a substantial order (millions I believe) earlier this year.

I think at this point it is quite safe to purchase a new 360. As long as it is a recent manufacture (and has HDMI) you are more or less assured that there is little chance it will RROD.

RROD is only part of the problem, you have dvd drive failures, 1 red light E74 failure, the common "I have sound but no picture" problem, consoles bricked after an update, all these issues are not adressed, and are not covered by the 3 year warranty extension. So basically if your Xbox360 breaks down and doesn't flash the RROD you're screwed.

If Microsoft had really adressed the problem, don't you think it would be their best interest to put new mobos in refurbs instead of keeping sending them back as faulty as they are. The thing is Microsoft just wants your money, by keeping people guessing MS lure them into believing new consoles are more reliable, and therefore they will likely buy a new one instead of dealing with the Refurgatory.

Look at what happened with the heatsink, and then with the 65nm chip. Rumors (probably started by MS) periodically state that each "new batch of consoles" that comes out with the slightest modification will eradicate the malfunctions when we all know that only a complete redesign, and better electronic components could solve the problem.

Did you not notice my mention of Microsoft moving to a new DVD supplier? http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/26463/122/ <---- read a quick blurb and hit google for more. Basically BenQ was the replacement drive for early DVD rom drives. With BenQ merging up, Lite On took over the order and is now the supplier. Supposedly the lite on is quieter yet... Time will tell, but MS has clearly been making changes in the DVD drive as well.

As far as putting in new MoBos in each refurb, as far as I know, they have been doing that since about May or so. I don't know the exact cutoff time when it began but after a certain point, every console was supposedly going out with the latest "stuff". One of those items in the "stuff" list was a replacement of the x-clamp with screws. see here for pix (for some reason I have to cut and paste): http://gear.ign.com/articles/824/824183p1.html

Beleive what you want to believe. Microsoft fanboys will swear that everything is perfect now. Sony Fanboys will say that every console is still doomed. Truth lies somewhere in the middle but with the new hardware I suspect that the truth is a lot closer to perfect than it is to every console being doomed. Ultimately, as I said above, time will tell, but I doubt very, very seriuosly that Microsoft would have taken a $1B charge and extended the warranty for 3 years if they weren't fairly confident that the problem was fixed. It would have been cheaper to exit the business.

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