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yanamaster on 03 April 2010
masterb8tr said:
yanamaster said:
masterb8tr said:
Xero said:
Oh? Which consumer department did you contact specifically? That's very vague, and I'm interested :)

forbrukerrådet:p i am from norway though:p

It's legal in your country because Norway isn't in the EU. In any EU country that EULA and ToS directives are in violation of consumer rights.

Norway is part of EEA though. So we're obligated to follow certain directives regarding company law ect.

But the EU can't enforce their consumer rights policies on Sony to apply them in Norway, because even if you are part of EEA, you are not fully integrate by EU law. Besides, there are many cases where country consumer departments say one thing, later the EU rectifies these decisions.



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Xero on 03 April 2010

Okay then so why can't, in Europe... I sue microsoft because I can't play online on my original Xbox? I want to play Conker Reloaded but I can't anymore. Plus when I bought the 360 originals on the store they were advertised with Online support, but now that doesn't function contrary to the terms of my purchase.

Can I sue?



scottie on 03 April 2010
Xero said:

I was looking through the terms and conditions sourced on the back of my PS3 box...

""Without limitation, services may include the provision of the latest update or download of new release that may include security patches, new technology or revised settings and features which may prevent access to unauthorized or pirated content, or use of unauthorized hardware or software in connection with the PS3™ system. " - http://uk.playstation.com/legal/detail/item239569/SYSTEM-SOFTWARE-LICENSE-AGREEMENT-FOR-THE-PlayStation®3-SYSTEM/

Isn't this exactly what Sony are doing? From what I read there Sony can distribute there software updates (with changes) if it may prevent access to pirated content, or unauthorized use of hardware. 

This is sourced on the back of all PS3 retail content, all PSN content, all PS3 hardware. So doesn't this mean what Sony have done is perfectly legal?

No, that  isn't the case. Sony could include "we reserve the right to murder you in your sleep if you pirate our games" Doesn't then make it legal for them to send out hitmen - a lot of things that you sign in a contract actually have no legal ramifications



fighter on 03 April 2010
Xero said:
Okay then so why can't, in Europe... I sue microsoft because I can't play online on my original Xbox? I want to play Conker Reloaded but I can't anymore. Plus when I bought the 360 originals on the store they were advertised with Online support, but now that doesn't function contrary to the terms of my purchase.

Can I sue?

 

Green should be legal. Usually, "common industrial practices and standards" replace the law whenever specific aspects are not explicitely specified. And usuallly, whenever a software or hardware product is not sold anymore its' support can cease as well.

 

As for the orange part that wouldn't be legal. You can sue MS for that at least in the EU.



deskpro2k3 on 03 April 2010

news flash! water is wet!



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fighter on 03 April 2010
scottie said:
Xero said:

I was looking through the terms and conditions sourced on the back of my PS3 box...

""Without limitation, services may include the provision of the latest update or download of new release that may include security patches, new technology or revised settings and features which may prevent access to unauthorized or pirated content, or use of unauthorized hardware or software in connection with the PS3™ system. " - http://uk.playstation.com/legal/detail/item239569/SYSTEM-SOFTWARE-LICENSE-AGREEMENT-FOR-THE-PlayStation®3-SYSTEM/

Isn't this exactly what Sony are doing? From what I read there Sony can distribute there software updates (with changes) if it may prevent access to pirated content, or unauthorized use of hardware. 

This is sourced on the back of all PS3 retail content, all PSN content, all PS3 hardware. So doesn't this mean what Sony have done is perfectly legal?

No, that  isn't the case. Sony could include "we reserve the right to murder you in your sleep if you pirate our games" Doesn't then make it legal for them to send out hitmen - a lot of things that you sign in a contract actually have no legal ramifications

 

Also, updating a feature is not the same thing as removing it.



dobby985 on 03 April 2010

There you have it. Sony is not breaking the law, they are protecting their product from criminals.



fighter on 03 April 2010
deskpro2k3 said:
news flash! water is wet!

 

no it isn't

 

 

edit for Deskpro underneath : water cannot wet itself, it can wet stuff up and only when in a fluid state. Simillarly,  light "illuminates" when reflected and is invisible until then.

 



deskpro2k3 on 03 April 2010
fighter said:
deskpro2k3 said:
news flash! water is wet!

 

no it isn't

Yes it is.



Kenoid on 03 April 2010

But Xero, the company has the rights to do anything they want with their stuff when they buy it



                                  

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