Mouse and keyboard is the best. I am playing MW2 on the xbox again. And wow I cant shoot for shit. Mouse and keyboard is soooo much better. I have seen the light!

I fully agree. You should really play a proper PC shooter and not a dumbed down shooter on the PC to see the difference of just how perfect the control scheme is for shooters.

Oh yeah suggestions. These are waaay old, but they showcase what the control scheme can really do. Either UT2004, or Quake 3. Quake Live is also free by the way.

I have played Bad Company 2 and Crysis on the PC. I am fairly certain they aren't dumbed down ;)

I would have trouble using mouse and keyboard sitting on my comfy couch in front of a big TV.

Actually, BC2 is very dumbed down from previous PC BF games like BF1942, the best one, and BF2.

Also Crysis is just a bad game, period. Looks good, plays shitty.

So both games you listed have been dumbed down and are not representative of a good PC FPS.

@Tall

I bet you my current PC chair is more comfortable than your couch. Hell, it's more comfortable than even my couch to the point where I watch TV and play my consoles from it. The couch is there really only for company and to have sex on.

Maybe you should buy a better couch.

My point is that neither method of control suits everyone, so calling one 'the best' is wrong.

screa modern warfare 2

Stalker: Call of Pripyat, now thats an awesome game

the worst part in all this is that PC shooters are harmed by consoles... we now have DLC, matchmaking and other shitty advantages of the consoles...hell MS even tried to make it pay to play a few years back...

I have a nice list of things that are horrible mechanics for shooters that stem solely from the inadequate shooter control schemes of consoles, also their mostly skill-less audience:

-DLC

-Regenerating health

-Matchmaking

-Limited guns being able to be carried

-Following from the previous, shitty gun concepts and not much variation

-Slow ass games, way slow, I grow a 5 o'clock shadow any time I try to turn 180 degress in Halo 3, GoW, CoD, etc.

-Repetative gameplay, seriously look at how varied HL2 is then look at Gears of War

-Decline of skill based games, and an astounding rise of luck based games. At least back in 2000 CS players knew heir places behind Quake/UT players, now people are actually arguing with me how Halo 3, CoD4, MW2, etc. take more skill than Quake and UT.

-Leveling systems in multiplayer. I realize BF2 did i first and I hated it for it, but now it's just getting rediculous.

-Zero modding tools and SDKs. Epic releases the entire UE engine for everyone who buys the game. You know the one that is used in lke 20% of all current games? Yeah that one. You get  literally the whole thing and you can make amazing games without a hitch as long as youdon't charge for it.

-Shitty models. Look at the variety of models HL, TF, Quake, UT, etc. had, and now look at the variety of models, which conosist of Marine 1, and at best Soldier 1. Then you can add little bells and whistles to "customize" them which make no fucking difference in the middle of the action.

I feel that's a nice list, I am sure I have more greviances but I just can't come up with them. I will end this with a very nice thing that I do like about console shooters:

-Local multiplayer, it's fucking awesome, and while it's nowhere near as awesome and badass as a LAN party, it's very fast and it doesn't have to be premedited. A shooter on a console is absolutely worthless without local multiplayer.