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TheRealMafoo on 20 March 2010
mirgro said:
HappySqurriel said:
mirgro said:
HappySqurriel said:
mirgro said:
So you complain when the government uses money it doesn't have, and you also complain when the government tries to use its own money. There is just no appeasing you it seems.

Government doesn't have its own money ... Government only has your money.

When it spends money before it collects it (or spends money that was put aside for something else), the government is building debt for you; and you will be forced to pay for this debt with higher taxes in the future.

That's what I meant. He complains when it incurs debt, and he complains when it tries not to incur any debt.

Except in both cases it incurs debt ...

If I know for a fact that I need $40,000 in a couple of years (for college as an example), I get a raise to be able to save up that $40,000, and I choose to spend all of that money, when I need to actually make that payment my only option is to take out a loan for $40,000. The problem is that by taking out a loan and paying interest on it for years it ends up costing several times as much money as saving up in advance would have.

Maybe I am missing something, but they are saving up the money in advance and not paying off the debt with those monies.

That's the point I was making. I would be fine, in fact happy, with them taking every penny for healthcare in the next 4 years, and applyied it strictly to the dept, and then when the time came to pay for this bill, taking out a loan again.

In reality, that would be the best move, as you redice the interest you will pay over the next 4 years. That's not what I meant though. I am sure they will spend that money on new programs. When the time comes to use the money for healthcare, the dept will be the same, yet the money collected to pay for it will be gone.

P.S. The best move of all, is not have this bill, but I mean how to apply the money if you did pass this bill.



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Samus Aran on 20 March 2010
Rath said:
Samus Aran said:


All that matters to Obama is that it gets accepted as people(read as voters) will see it as a victory. He doesn't give a damn about the health care it self, it's just a way to win the people over again.

Obama could have ditched this ages ago and basically have come out politically better off. Or he could have pushed through an extremely watered down version that would have gotten support of some of the republicans. He's a good enough politician to know it too.

I'm pretty sure he's fighting for this out of genuinely wanting this healthcare bill.

He couldn't have ditched this without losing massive votes. Obama NEEDS THIS to get re-elected.

Let's hope he doesn't get re-elected though.

I'd steal Cuba's system for health care instead of taking Obama's one.

 



TheRealMafoo on 20 March 2010
Rath said:
Samus Aran said:


All that matters to Obama is that it gets accepted as people(read as voters) will see it as a victory. He doesn't give a damn about the health care it self, it's just a way to win the people over again.

Obama could have ditched this ages ago and basically have come out politically better off. Or he could have pushed through an extremely watered down version that would have gotten support of some of the republicans. He's a good enough politician to know it too.

I'm pretty sure he's fighting for this out of genuinely wanting this healthcare bill.

I agree he wants this, but he is fighting for this bill, because he is in major trouble, and the lesser of two evils is to pass this.

What in reality will most likely happen, is this bill will get overturned in the supreme court. So the end, it won't really matter to the people.

His problem is there is no win here for him. The way to make the most people happy, would be to just kill the bill. No one wants it. But the problem is, even if he did that, he would not gain any votes, but he would lose the far left wing votes.

So, the best political outcome for him (still a bad one however), is to pass the bill.