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Soriku said:
dtewi said:
This doesn't propose immortality.

This prevents death from old age. I can still take that jellysfish, rip it open, and kill it.

Not so immortal.

 

Even immortal things can die. The point is even if they do they still come back to life. It's not like there's some anti-death aura around things like this jellyfish.

Incorrect.

Im - defined as not

Mortus - defined as death

Basically, immortal means no death. Therefore, if something is immortal, it cannot die. Besides, the jellyfish dying would seem more of an asexual reproduction, not constant regeneration.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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Soriku said:
dtewi said:
Soriku said:
dtewi said:
This doesn't propose immortality.

This prevents death from old age. I can still take that jellysfish, rip it open, and kill it.

Not so immortal.

 

Even immortal things can die. The point is even if they do they still come back to life. It's not like there's some anti-death aura around things like this jellyfish.

Incorrect.

Im - defined as not

Mortus - defined as death

Basically, immortal means no death. Therefore, if something is immortal, it cannot die. Besides, the jellyfish dying would seem more of an asexual reproduction, not constant regeneration.


I worded it wrong. What I meant is that it can enter into a death situation (like blowing its head off) so it did die but at the same time not really as it's immortal. It got into a situation where death would happen but it didn't actually die.

I've seen people confusing the two things in the thread for quite some time now. Immortality is not the same as invulnerable. There are a lot of bacteria which are immortal too, or at least immortal given their extremely long life span, as they live on creating the same copy of itself (no change to its DNA). 
But if someone disrupts it or enviromental factors kick in and denaturate the bacterial cell, it dies, even though it's immortal. That's because nothing is invulnerable. As we're (every living thing) made of proteins and a bucketload of other organic matter, there's not a single being that's invulnerable.



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Chris Hu said:
Time is the only thing that lasts forever, everything else has a beginning and an end and is mortal.

Relativity says hat time won't exist without the universe, and it didn't exist before the universe.

Wrap your head around that shit.

@dtewi:

There are two accepted meanings of "immortal" - literally being unable to die is just one of them, and it's much more narrow and imaginary.



Khuutra said:
Chris Hu said:
Time is the only thing that lasts forever, everything else has a beginning and an end and is mortal.

Relativity says hat time won't exist without the universe, and it didn't exist before the universe.

Wrap your head around that shit.

@dtewi:

There are two accepted meanings of "immortal" - literally being unable to die is just one of them, and it's much more narrow and imaginary.

But technically speaking, that is the more correct definition.

Immortality is not imaginary though (well, as of now it seems to be). It could be possible in the future.

Very very far into the future.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

dtewi said:
Khuutra said:

Relativity says hat time won't exist without the universe, and it didn't exist before the universe.

Wrap your head around that shit.

@dtewi:

There are two accepted meanings of "immortal" - literally being unable to die is just one of them, and it's much more narrow and imaginary.

But technically speaking, that is the more correct definition.

Immortality is not imaginary though (well, as of now it seems to be). It could be possible in the future.

Very very far into the future.

*sigh*

No, it's not. The etymology of the word was used to describe gods and spirits who never died. Or concepts that aren't capable of death and would never be forgotten. Or ties that would never be broken. Or rocks.

The definition of words can't be traced that easily through the roots, because there are implications in every definition of every word - immortality is that which lacks mortality, and mortality doesn't just mean the quality of being able to die, it also means being limited, and it also means being subject to age.

You can't have a "more correct" definition!

Go to your room and don't come out until you've thought about the crimes you've committed against your language!



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Khuutra said:
dtewi said:
Khuutra said:

Relativity says hat time won't exist without the universe, and it didn't exist before the universe.

Wrap your head around that shit.

@dtewi:

There are two accepted meanings of "immortal" - literally being unable to die is just one of them, and it's much more narrow and imaginary.

But technically speaking, that is the more correct definition.

Immortality is not imaginary though (well, as of now it seems to be). It could be possible in the future.

Very very far into the future.

*sigh*

No, it's not. The etymology of the word was used to describe gods and spirits who never died. Or concepts that aren't capable of death and would never be forgotten. Or ties that would never be broken. Or rocks.

The definition of words can't be traced that easily through the roots, because there are implications in every definition of every word - immortality is that which lacks mortality, and mortality doesn't just mean the quality of being able to die, it also means being limited, and it also means being subject to age.

You can't have a "more correct" definition!

Go to your room and don't come out until you've thought about the crimes you've committed against your language!

So what you would prefer me to say?

That the etymology of the word suggests a more clear idea that its connotation means to not be able to die?

That is long-winded.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

dtewi said:
Khuutra said:

*sigh*

No, it's not. The etymology of the word was used to describe gods and spirits who never died. Or concepts that aren't capable of death and would never be forgotten. Or ties that would never be broken. Or rocks.

The definition of words can't be traced that easily through the roots, because there are implications in every definition of every word - immortality is that which lacks mortality, and mortality doesn't just mean the quality of being able to die, it also means being limited, and it also means being subject to age.

You can't have a "more correct" definition!

Go to your room and don't come out until you've thought about the crimes you've committed against your language!

So what you would prefer me to say?

That the etymology of the word suggests a more clear idea that its connotation means to not be able to die?

That is long-winded.

Etymology is more than just the roots of a word - it has to do with past usages, too. And immortal tends to not refer to things that live but cannot be killed.

You could say "You know, a literal interpretation of the roots of the word suggests something kind of like the Highlander minus the decapitation weakness", but even tat isn't quite right in that it's only one definition of "mortality".

You could say "You know I always thought of immortality as being literally unable to die"

Or you could just say

"Holy shit that jellyfish could live for a billion billion years in ideal conditions"



aww man does this mean theres no heaven or hell geez....



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Khuutra said:
Chris Hu said:
Time is the only thing that lasts forever, everything else has a beginning and an end and is mortal.

Relativity says hat time won't exist without the universe, and it didn't exist before the universe.

Wrap your head around that shit.

@dtewi:

There are two accepted meanings of "immortal" - literally being unable to die is just one of them, and it's much more narrow and imaginary.


Yep, that's why Hawkings has developed the concept of "real time". Afterall if one person is standing still and the other is going half light speed... the moment they meet, different amounts of time have passed for both... they've still met in the same "point in time." The only problem with that "time" is it's extradimensional and may only exist for means of calculations. Like imaginary numbers.

Can it live in a bathtub? I wanna buy one and just watch it live forever.