Oh, right. Well if it makes you feel any better, you just fell in my estimations.

Severance said: Rainbird said: It's not really 360 fans saying that though really? i countless times ran into someone "meh if i wanna buy a ps3 to play MGS4/HR i'd go watch a movie"

But I did just buy a PS3 and Heavy Rain.  Quite frankly I don't see a problem describing Heavy Rain as an interactive movie.  Its a masterpiece and I'm only a few hours into it.  Its meant to seem like a movie/book where you are taking the role of the characters, only this time you get to control their actions.  Its beautiful and it really does have a way of affecting you like no other game has.  I was one of this games biggest sceptics, ask anyone, and here I am enjoying it.  So to me I don't see how calling Heavy Rain a movie is a negative when it gives you such an experience that you won't find anywhere else.  Mass Effect and MGS4 are less of a movie because you control the character quite a bit outside of cutscenes.  Heavy rain maintains a story driven "movie" feel even when you have control of the characters outside of cutscenes.

not saying its not, espicially at the last parts, that looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnngggg talk with The Boss (Snake) at the very end made me make food and finish it while he was still talking about the patriots and how Ocelot used the system and what not

Flip flop much?

And you STILL haven't shown me that gamertag of yours.

It's because Heavy Rain IS NOT A GAME. It certainly isn't a movie, but it's more movie then game. There's no in-game goals, there's no penalty, you can't lose. Heavy Rain is NOT a game. MGS4 is a game, just not a very good one. It's not a great movie either. Mass Effect on the other hand, has clearly defined goals, clearly defined penalties, and a "game over" scene. Also, while you may argue that since Heavy Rain isn't a game, the dialouge sections of ME are not games either. However, there often is a goal to them, and a reward/penalty.

Simply put, people say that Heavy Rain is a movie because it's more movie than game. MGS4 just has hour-long (crappy) cut-scenes.

to be fair its like this

AMAZING PS3 exclusives like HR MGS4 will be trolled by the people who wish they had them

AMAZING multiplat games like mass effect will be trolled by people who dont have them on there system

even with mgs4 you only get to 2/3 of cinematics. Where did you pull 80% from ?!? 

this

And there goes another good example of "How to create a flamer topic without looking like a flamer topic..."

Severance said: Rainbird said: It's not really 360 fans saying that though really? i countless times ran into someone "meh if i wanna buy a ps3 to play MGS4/HR i'd go watch a movie"

Perhaps they're implying they'd rather watch a Blu-Ray film on a PS3?

As for HR I'm actually not sure if I can call it a game...not trying to degrade or insult it, I enjoyed my 10+ hours with it, but if I were to dissect it as a game it starts to become weird...This is a game with no game over, no continue, sometimes the point/goal is to literally sit around and wait. It doesn't matter if you fail or succeed in Heavy Rain the story continues and an ending will be given to each character, so essentially you don't have to even have a goal in the game. I still loved the idea of a movie I can influence, it's been an idea I've wanted to see come to life for a while. However, how do you explain gameplay for a game like that?! It's as though the gameplay itself is near nonexistent. 

For MGS4 though I have to agree with some of the haters, I didn't hate the game...but I definitely felt like the cutscenes made the game feel a lot less "actiony". In the middle of MGS4 I remember I stopped at Chapter 4 because I couldn't stand it, I needed guns, explosions, and shit! I popped Infamous into my PS3 instead, finished it, returned to MGS4. Played another chapter or two, went to Killzone 2, and than finally returned back to MGS4 again...

Mass Effect may have a shitload of convo choices, but at least they're all skippable and there's still a bunch of humanoids to blast. I've played through the original game 10x times I know there's plenty of action in Mass Effect. Story and Lore are always important in Bioware games but for the OP to say it is a story driven game is incorrect. Mass Effect 2 can be story, action, or loot based. What I mean by that statement is that you're driven to play it because of either the story, action, or the loot.