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Would you support a parenthood licence?

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MontanaHatchet said:
mirgro said:
MontanaHatchet said:
KingFate said:
I'd support it, if it was done correctly. I don't mean to sound inhumane, but we really SHOULD keep survival of the fittest going. I mean we have a lot of people with so many health issues now through genetics. It's a very touchy subject though so it stays a taboo for the most part.

Oh wow, this is even a million times worse. Please don't tell me you really support this idea.

The only reason we are what we are as human being is because of survival of the fittest. How is that a bad idea? To make a quick repost:

If you have a cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60, it would die off and have a very small chance of reproducing. If it does reproduce then its children would probably die off. The point is, any cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60 is doomed. The 20mph cheetahs would most certainly would not be outnumbering the 60mph runners and they certainly wouldn't be breeding more than the 60mph ones either.

 

Except we don't live in that type of world anymore.

Right now, we have short people, weak people, slow people, people with disabilities, etc. They all survive perfectly well in this world because we don't live in a world where survival of the fittest applies in a kind of animalistic way. I mean, what if the government decided that you should die because you contain a bad genetic? You'd change your tune pretty quickly, I would think.

No, the defining feature of the human is the brain. Not the physical characteristics. The cheetah is defined by speed, the human by the brain.



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MontanaHatchet said:
mirgro said:
MontanaHatchet said:
KingFate said:
I'd support it, if it was done correctly. I don't mean to sound inhumane, but we really SHOULD keep survival of the fittest going. I mean we have a lot of people with so many health issues now through genetics. It's a very touchy subject though so it stays a taboo for the most part.

Oh wow, this is even a million times worse. Please don't tell me you really support this idea.

The only reason we are what we are as human being is because of survival of the fittest. How is that a bad idea? To make a quick repost:

If you have a cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60, it would die off and have a very small chance of reproducing. If it does reproduce then its children would probably die off. The point is, any cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60 is doomed. The 20mph cheetahs would most certainly would not be outnumbering the 60mph runners and they certainly wouldn't be breeding more than the 60mph ones either.


Except we don't live in that type of world anymore.

Right now, we have short people, weak people, slow people, people with disabilities, etc. They all survive perfectly well in this world because we don't live in a world where survival of the fittest applies in a kind of animalistic way. I mean, what if the government decided that you should die because you contain a bad genetic? You'd change your tune pretty quickly, I would think.

@ Mirgo: This isn't Fist of the North Star.



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

mirgro said:
MontanaHatchet said:
mirgro said:
MontanaHatchet said:
KingFate said:
I'd support it, if it was done correctly. I don't mean to sound inhumane, but we really SHOULD keep survival of the fittest going. I mean we have a lot of people with so many health issues now through genetics. It's a very touchy subject though so it stays a taboo for the most part.

Oh wow, this is even a million times worse. Please don't tell me you really support this idea.

The only reason we are what we are as human being is because of survival of the fittest. How is that a bad idea? To make a quick repost:

If you have a cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60, it would die off and have a very small chance of reproducing. If it does reproduce then its children would probably die off. The point is, any cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60 is doomed. The 20mph cheetahs would most certainly would not be outnumbering the 60mph runners and they certainly wouldn't be breeding more than the 60mph ones either.

 

Except we don't live in that type of world anymore.

Right now, we have short people, weak people, slow people, people with disabilities, etc. They all survive perfectly well in this world because we don't live in a world where survival of the fittest applies in a kind of animalistic way. I mean, what if the government decided that you should die because you contain a bad genetic? You'd change your tune pretty quickly, I would think.

No, the defining feature of the human is the brain. Not the physical characteristics. The cheetah is defined by speed, the human by the brain.

What does that have to do with anything?

I think you're in a losing argument. Survival of the fittest does not apply to the modern world. It stopped applying to the world a long time ago.



 

 

MontanaHatchet said:

What does that have to do with anything?

I think you're in a losing argument. Survival of the fittest does not apply to the modern world. It stopped applying to the world a long time ago.

It stopped around a century or so ago. What we now have is stupid people reproducing faster and at a greater rate than the ones that are smarter. Under a survival of the fittest such would not be the case. I am not losing anything, you gave examples of short or fat people, none of which have anything to do with the defining human feature. If a midget is smart he would live if he was a human being as long as he was smart under natural law.

I don't think you understand that by removing survival of the fittest we are hurting the human race as a whole worse than anything else we can do short of destroying ourselves.



mirgro said:
MontanaHatchet said:
KingFate said:
I'd support it, if it was done correctly. I don't mean to sound inhumane, but we really SHOULD keep survival of the fittest going. I mean we have a lot of people with so many health issues now through genetics. It's a very touchy subject though so it stays a taboo for the most part.

Oh wow, this is even a million times worse. Please don't tell me you really support this idea.

The only reason we are what we are as human being is because of survival of the fittest. How is that a bad idea? To make a quick repost:

If you have a cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60, it would die off and have a very small chance of reproducing. If it does reproduce then its children would probably die off. The point is, any cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60 is doomed. The 20mph cheetahs would most certainly would not be outnumbering the 60mph runners and they certainly wouldn't be breeding more than the 60mph ones either.

 

The problem is you are not born stupid or smart.  You environnement and your work on school makes you what you are.

My parents were farmworkers and only mom can read a little so they should not have me?



 

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mirgro said:
MontanaHatchet said:
 

What does that have to do with anything?

I think you're in a losing argument. Survival of the fittest does not apply to the modern world. It stopped applying to the world a long time ago.

It stopped around a century or so ago. What we now have is stupid people reproducing faster and at a greater rate than the ones that are smarter. Under a survival of the fittest such would not be the case. I am not losing anything, you gave examples of short or fat people, none of which have anything to do with the defining human feature. If a midget is smart he would live if he was a human being as long as he was smart under natural law.

I don't think you understand that by removing survival of the fittest we are hurting the human race as a whole worse than anything else we can do short of destroying ourselves.

Being smart is mainly to do with nurture, any individual from a deprived background go out and become successful it's usually the drive they get from parent reinforcement, nothing to do with intelligence.



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

Lostplanet22 said:
mirgro said:
MontanaHatchet said:
KingFate said:
I'd support it, if it was done correctly. I don't mean to sound inhumane, but we really SHOULD keep survival of the fittest going. I mean we have a lot of people with so many health issues now through genetics. It's a very touchy subject though so it stays a taboo for the most part.

Oh wow, this is even a million times worse. Please don't tell me you really support this idea.

The only reason we are what we are as human being is because of survival of the fittest. How is that a bad idea? To make a quick repost:

If you have a cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60, it would die off and have a very small chance of reproducing. If it does reproduce then its children would probably die off. The point is, any cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60 is doomed. The 20mph cheetahs would most certainly would not be outnumbering the 60mph runners and they certainly wouldn't be breeding more than the 60mph ones either.

 

The problem is you are not born stupid or smart.  You environnement and your work on school makes you what you are.

My parents were farmworkers and only mom can read a little so they should not have me?

I think you are mistaking what smart is. Smart is a combination of intellect, which you are born with, and wisdom, which you accumulate throughout your life. Your Mother can be born with great intellect and not learn anything, but that doesn't mean she would die off under survival of the fittest.



mirgro said:
MontanaHatchet said:
 

What does that have to do with anything?

I think you're in a losing argument. Survival of the fittest does not apply to the modern world. It stopped applying to the world a long time ago.

It stopped around a century or so ago. What we now have is stupid people reproducing faster and at a greater rate than the ones that are smarter. Under a survival of the fittest such would not be the case. I am not losing anything, you gave examples of short or fat people, none of which have anything to do with the defining human feature. If a midget is smart he would live if he was a human being as long as he was smart under natural law.

I don't think you understand that by removing survival of the fittest we are hurting the human race as a whole worse than anything else we can do short of destroying ourselves.

Wait, it stopped a century ago? Survival of the fittest stopped at about the time of World War I? How does that make any sense? You're just spouting bullshit. And stupid people produce stupid children through a bad, "stupid" culture, not through stupid genetics. The capability of greater intelligence varies little between people, but physical capabilities too. You could have a perfectly fit man and a disabled man, and even if the disabled man is more intelligent, the fit man is far more likely to survive. This is, of course, all based on some kind of primitive world where survival of the fittest still applies. 

I get your points perfectly well, but I still can't fully wrap my head around them, since they're so immoral and stupid. Oh, and by the way. Do you think we should kill all of the retarded people in the world? Do tell.



 

 

MontanaHatchet said:
mirgro said:
MontanaHatchet said:
 

What does that have to do with anything?

I think you're in a losing argument. Survival of the fittest does not apply to the modern world. It stopped applying to the world a long time ago.

It stopped around a century or so ago. What we now have is stupid people reproducing faster and at a greater rate than the ones that are smarter. Under a survival of the fittest such would not be the case. I am not losing anything, you gave examples of short or fat people, none of which have anything to do with the defining human feature. If a midget is smart he would live if he was a human being as long as he was smart under natural law.

I don't think you understand that by removing survival of the fittest we are hurting the human race as a whole worse than anything else we can do short of destroying ourselves.

Wait, it stopped a century ago? Survival of the fittest stopped at about the time of World War I? How does that make any sense? You're just spouting bullshit. And stupid people produce stupid children through a bad, "stupid" culture, not through stupid genetics. The capability of greater intelligence varies little between people, but physical capabilities too. You could have a perfectly fit man and a disabled man, and even if the disabled man is more intelligent, the fit man is far more likely to survive. This is, of course, all based on some kind of primitive world where survival of the fittest still applies. 

I get your points perfectly well, but I still can't fully wrap my head around them, since they're so immoral and stupid. Oh, and by the way. Do you think we should kill all of the retarded people in the world? Do tell.

See, in a world liek that then yes, only the smartest and the most fit would survive. However I am just talking about brian power, and I am sorry, but there are clear ways to see intellect from clear stupidity. As one said "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink," same thing applies to the privilagaged stupid people when applies to knowledge.

I don't see how any of this is immoral considering the fact that we have become what we are solely because of survival of the fittest, not some dreamland utopia you seem to want. The immoral thing would be to stop human biological progress because of bullshit reasons like sympathy and empathy, which by the way is also an evolutionary trait we acquired back when they were required to progress human survival.

But let's take your nonexistant ideal utopia. How do you propose you stop the idiots from outnumbering the smart people? They breed faster and more numerously than the smarties. While Idiocracy is a funny and stupid movie, it still has a lot of merit to it in the first 10 minutes.



the first 40 seconds or so give a good idea of how to bring up children properly

 



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