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Kasz216 on 10 March 2010
famousringo said:
I'm not completely opposed to the idea of red light cameras, but I hear some jurisdictions have been shortening yellow lights to increase infractions, increase revenues, and make the intersection less safe than it was before the camera.

Hurting people so the city can get more ticket revenues? Now that's some real bullshit.

Oh, there is a bigger problem then that actually.

Trafic Cameras actually make the roads less safe.  Intersections that get cameras tend to have an increase in accidents by some crazy number like 30%  I learned it in an urban planning class.  It increases city revenue but decreases city saftey.

The thing is, people don't change how they drive... just rather then running a  yellow light they SLAM on their breaks hard... and the guy behind them ends up rearending them.

 

Trafic cameras are a significant risk to public saftey when they are meant to improve it.  As for people getting tickets from cameras... I don't really have a problem with it... other then the huge saftey risks it causes.



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Kasz216 on 10 March 2010

Oh... 30% is Actually the low number.

It increases accidents between 30 and 40%.

"She pointed to a seven-year study by the Virginia Transportation Research Council that showed crashes at intersections with the cameras increased 29 percent.

Another study, by the Urban Transit Institute at North Carolina Agricultural & Technical State University, looked at almost five years' worth of data. The study concluded that accident rates increased 40 percent at intersections with cameras; injury crashes rose between 40 percent and 50 percent."



Rath on 10 March 2010
sguy78 said:
Rath said:
sguy78 said:
famousringo said:
I'm not completely opposed to the idea of red light cameras, but I hear some jurisdictions have been shortening yellow lights to increase infractions, increase revenues, and make the intersection less safe than it was before the camera.

Hurting people so the city can get more ticket revenues? Now that's some real bullshit.

Whenever I hear "Revenue" mentioned in any breath while talking about money and government, it really lights a fuse for me. Government does not have revenue, they are not there for that! These governments claim that these traffic lights are for our safety. Anybody who believes that is completely delusional.

What do you think taxes are? They're government revenue.

I'm not sure what your point is, other than to start an argument. The point of what I am saying is that government far overspends and overreaches on anything it should have ever been intended to do. They can't cover these expenses, so they find these back door taxes such as these traffic lights.

Oh I'm not trying to start an argument and I'm not supporting backdoor taxes, I'm just saying taxes are revenue for the government so the government does have revenue.



Kasz216 on 10 March 2010

Even the UK government shows this...

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/06/602.asp

Governments are putting their citizens saftey at risk for cash. It's really quite sad.



famousringo on 10 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:
I'm not completely opposed to the idea of red light cameras, but I hear some jurisdictions have been shortening yellow lights to increase infractions, increase revenues, and make the intersection less safe than it was before the camera.

Hurting people so the city can get more ticket revenues? Now that's some real bullshit.

Oh, there is a bigger problem then that actually.

Trafic Cameras actually make the roads less safe.  Intersections that get cameras tend to have an increase in accidents by some crazy number like 30%  I learned it in an urban planning class.  It increases city revenue but decreases city saftey.

The thing is, people don't change how they drive... just rather then running a  yellow light they SLAM on their breaks hard... and the guy behind them ends up rearending them.

 

Trafic cameras are a significant risk to public saftey when they are meant to improve it.  As for people getting tickets from cameras... I don't really have a problem with it... other then the huge saftey risks it causes.

Hm, I was lead to believe that the reduced safety was due to the shortening of the yellow out of greed, not changed driver behavior.

Either way, if it makes the intersection less safe, it has no reason to be there.



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Wildvine53 on 10 March 2010

The cameras in my area are awful. If you do stop for about 5 seconds it will be fine, but once one person turns to soon, the things just keeps going off, they really need to monitor the cameras



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mirgro on 11 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:
I'm not completely opposed to the idea of red light cameras, but I hear some jurisdictions have been shortening yellow lights to increase infractions, increase revenues, and make the intersection less safe than it was before the camera.

Hurting people so the city can get more ticket revenues? Now that's some real bullshit.

Oh, there is a bigger problem then that actually.

Trafic Cameras actually make the roads less safe.  Intersections that get cameras tend to have an increase in accidents by some crazy number like 30%  I learned it in an urban planning class.  It increases city revenue but decreases city saftey.

The thing is, people don't change how they drive... just rather then running a  yellow light they SLAM on their breaks hard... and the guy behind them ends up rearending them.

 

Trafic cameras are a significant risk to public saftey when they are meant to improve it.  As for people getting tickets from cameras... I don't really have a problem with it... other then the huge saftey risks it causes.

It goes much further than that. I know every camera so when in between them I speed like a demon, just like everyone else does. Though I have encountered a lot less accidents than back when the low driving speeds were actually enforced.



Chairman-Mao on 11 March 2010
bimmylee said:
adriane23 said:
So glad these were deemed unconstitutional in Minnesota.

Woot for states' rights. I sure wish Missouri would get wise, though. There's cameras at every freaking major intersection around here. I have half a mind to start damaging them somehow and make the city spend time and money to fix them and see how much they enjoy doing it.

Or you could just follow the law. They're there so retards don't run red lights and stuff, not as a money grabbing scheme like you seem to think.



sguy78 on 11 March 2010
Chairman-Mao said:
bimmylee said:
adriane23 said:
So glad these were deemed unconstitutional in Minnesota.

Woot for states' rights. I sure wish Missouri would get wise, though. There's cameras at every freaking major intersection around here. I have half a mind to start damaging them somehow and make the city spend time and money to fix them and see how much they enjoy doing it.

Or you could just follow the law. They're there so retards don't run red lights and stuff, not as a money grabbing scheme like you seem to think.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What flavor of Kool-Aid have you been drinking lately?



makingmusic476 on 11 March 2010

I agree. I got a ticket late last year for being stuck behind another car in an intersection when the light turned red.

It's bullshit, but they get away with it because an absurdly low amount of people contest the tickets.

At least they disabled them here last month because they realized they had no idea where the money was going.  That's New Orleans for ya.  =/